Hey guys, I dont know about you, but ill be really pissed if sends over a half- assed, detuned evolution with no Active centre diffrential or active yaw control. Before anyone bites off my head I have to say that its already ****in screwy that the United States didnt get to enjoy the evolution tme.....but to send a 250-260 evolution, while europe and the rest of the world gets to live it up !!!!! I know alot of people think that acd, and ayc is no big deal. and there is more to the evo like the chassis. But ill tell you, its really cool to have an active centre diffrential switch at ure side...and feel the rear tires raise with powerr when you keep toggling it back and forth. Ill tell you, u feel like Tommi Makinen sitting in the cockpit. Its really nice to put x pedal to board around a blind corner and feel ure tires grabbing and hugging the road, lauging all the ****in way, every time u see ure girlfriend grabbing the dash board from the corner of ure eye. Man, i say screw mitsubishi and buy all ure evos from imports company.....hopefully Subaru will put more juice in their machine so we can enjoy a real rally experience on the road.....

 

I'm pretty sure the US Evo won't have AYC/ACD, but if it's a must have for you, you can buy one from Evolution Imports.

Mark

 

If you really wanna feel like Tommi Makinen, don't use the ACD or AYC, i'm pretty sure he and other rally racers don't use it.

 

AYC/ACD for beginners? it would be high maintenance if it breaks too.

 

Yeah big time maintence!!!

 

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One of the biggest mis-conceptions about the AYC/ACD vs None battle is that people think that Mits just rips the AYC/ACD off of the car and leaves a bone stock diff in there. This isn't correct at all. The diff that replaces the AYC/ACD has gone through a lot of development and was meant to be a non-active but yet still a good replacement for the AYC/ACD.

So, in less words, the diff on the VIII now isn't a simple one that you'd find on a generic AWD car, but something still special for the Evo. You won't loose 100% of the ability with the AYC/ACD missing, but a lot less.

 

If anything a mechanical diff would make it closer to the STi you think will be so much better than it. Not like it matters either way. If you're so sick of it you should just wait until both cars come out and then make the decision.

 

listen the TME was allowed to not have acd cause it was hell alot more faster than the evolution 7..i know i could tell the difference between them the first time i drove the 7! The tme handled well, but not as great as the 7. I guess that the ayc was improved on the 7. Also, i know that alot of people take out ayc anyway, my dad has disconnected it. BUT, the name implies "evolution",,, if ure going to get the evo,,,,, u wouldnt get a "devolved one". future gsr evos will never be without the current handling systems implemented or re-engineered versions of the latter. thats what im saying, its nice to have all these fancy gadgets on the evolution, thats all im saying.....Its just mi preference...For the guy who called me flip flop expert...If the Tme mi dad bought didnt have acd while the rest of the world had it id be real ****in pissed ......mi brother , father and i have driven the 5, 6 and 7, and we all agree, the TME was the best evolution in terms of speed and the 7 in terms of handling ...Evos are built on a good compromise of both,,,,handling being the deciding factor... mitsu shouldnt sabotage both of those factors. If no ayc..at least acd...if no acd at least 280 psi........THIS IS JUST MY OPINION

Hopefully future owner of mi own engineering company..Margan eng.

 

We never had an EVO in the states, so there is nothing to EVOLVE yet. I'm sure as the years go by they will get better and better for the U.S. One day i'm sure we'll get the ACD and AYC too. I'm just happy it's coming!!!!!!!!!

 

the evo viii that is coming has no ayc/acd to leave room for improvements, hint: next generation of evo with all this gadgets. remember the fine print in the owner's manual, equipment may change without notice.

 

280 psi huh??? you'd be driving a nice crater in the ground

 

I think that'd be in danger of creating a black hole.

Stock HP seems like a non issue to me personally. It should be easily tunable to whatever reasonable hp you desire with relatively little extra cost. Getting (let's just say) 325hp from a slightly "detuned" 4g63t should be just as easy as from (let's just say) a JDM Evo VII's 4g63t.

 

Actually, ACD was not fully developed yet during the TME stage...not like Mitsu elected not to go with it

 

Well after a lot of thinking of what we could get and what not, even tough I am very interested in the active stuff underneath me and that is not going to change, it would be great to have a new model from the that will have an AWD and turbo engine (especially 4g63!!).

Looking back at the last days of the Eclipse GSX in 1999, pricing for that car was in upper 20s. The regular price started down in low 20s and moved all the way up. And then we where getting and AWD car with couple of mechanical LSD and open front diff. Car was also turbocharged with a good engine in there (minus those crank walk issues). Car had relatively sporty seats, but not Recaros or anything and they are holding you still pretty good. New car is supposedly going to have a nice seats, so that is a plus.

Brakes where two channel ABS system with almost 11" in the front and couple of different versions in the rear (bigger one in low 10"s and smaller one in 9"s and not vented). The new car is going to have a nice brakes and four channel ABS system (maybe even a sport version that EVO 7 has). Another plus.

Car will have more space inside so four people will be able to travel a bit longer than they can right now! Plus too!

There is also more rigidity in the body (and with a 4 doors, it better has that) and that is a nice thing when your chassis doesn't flex whenever it feels like it. One more plus!

Drivetrain, although somewhat similar between the cars, still improved. GSX trainy has three shafts inside and the new one has only two, which makes it much stronger internally. Big plus

Weight distribution is also improved over the GSX which was way too heavy in the front left.

Power is increased mainly thanks to the bigger turbo that is currently on EVO 7. We really don't know what we are going to get here, but it has to be better than a T25 that GSX came with! There will be 50 or so extra ponies, which is nice for the stock car since you don't have to replace your existing turbo!

Suspension is probably not as good, since GSX had a double wishbone on all four corners and as long as you stay on somewhat flat surface that doesn't require too much of the shock travel, struts in the front can't be as good as nicely tuned multi link suspension. Although, I am sure it can be adjusted to do the right thing too, so this is not really a plus as long as you don't plan to do some rally where strut suspension have a superiority compare to the other one.

So, overall, we are getting a better car than the GSX/TSI AWD used to be! If the price stays below the $30k, that would be a great thing. Now, it will be a tough to compete with $24k that currently WRXs are going for over here. Especially if the Subaru brings a new retouched one that will probably be slightly improved. Then, there will be an STi version too, so will have to play their cars damn well if they want to stay in the game.

From the EVO 4 - 7 point of view, active drivetrain was a great plus compare the the Scooby, but there is an active diff in the middle of the STi as well, and if they bring the car here with it, will shot them selves in the foot with no active stuff underneath the car.

So, one more time, overall improvement compare to the cars that we have over here. But, there was no Subaru with similar spec cars before and if don't improve what they have so far, they will fall behind again!


Mr. AWD