RS=barely lighter, MR=heavier
Originally Posted by Clue?sion
It's been proven that the five spped tranny is fasrter the the 6 speed. Much to do with the downshifting. If you buy an MR for the Track it does not make sense.
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Originally Posted by Clue?sion
If that were ture Then why don't have a 6-speed RS for Competion
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Here are the weights from the Mitsubishi site:
http://www.mitsucars.com/MMSA/jsp/la...jsp?t=exterior
RS=3197, GSR=3263 and 3321 with SSL, and MR=3285
Hopefully they are accurate.
http://www.mitsucars.com/MMSA/jsp/la...jsp?t=exterior
RS=3197, GSR=3263 and 3321 with SSL, and MR=3285
Hopefully they are accurate.
Originally Posted by Clue?sion
If that were ture Then why don't have a 6-speed RS for Competion
Further, the 6-speed wasn't out at the time the first rs came out. But like i said, the RS is made to be a cheap version of the evo. Its not really "competition-prepped" as evidenced by the almost insignificant changes compared to the GS-R. ITs more of a mitusbishi marketing tool.
Originally Posted by negativeB
umm..gas weighs a lot. so a half tank difference is not negligible.
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Originally Posted by alex_alex
b/c the RS wasn't really made for competition so much as it was made to be cheap and more affordable.
Further, the 6-speed wasn't out at the time the first rs came out. But like i said, the RS is made to be a cheap version of the evo. Its not really "competition-prepped" as evidenced by the almost insignificant changes compared to the GS-R. ITs more of a mitusbishi marketing tool.
Further, the 6-speed wasn't out at the time the first rs came out. But like i said, the RS is made to be a cheap version of the evo. Its not really "competition-prepped" as evidenced by the almost insignificant changes compared to the GS-R. ITs more of a mitusbishi marketing tool.
Originally Posted by EidolaDream
Isnt the GSR (I mean a "real" GSR) 6 speed. Watching Evo strikes back shows the full size GSR make awsome run times and all the guys love the 6 speed action alot better than the 5 speed.
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b/c the RS wasn't really made for competition so much as it was made to be cheap and more affordable.
Further, the 6-speed wasn't out at the time the first rs came out. But like i said, the RS is made to be a cheap version of the evo. Its not really "competition-prepped" as evidenced by the almost insignificant changes compared to the GS-R. ITs more of a mitusbishi marketing tool.
Further, the 6-speed wasn't out at the time the first rs came out. But like i said, the RS is made to be a cheap version of the evo. Its not really "competition-prepped" as evidenced by the almost insignificant changes compared to the GS-R. ITs more of a mitusbishi marketing tool.
The RS is an exceptional vehicle. All Rally competitions use the RS Model. Unfortunately They had developed a 6-speed tranny for the RS same as the MR. But it's track runs did worse than the 5speed by a couple of seconds. The difference between the RS and the MR is the tranny. That's is really it. You can even convert an RS into the MR 6-speed. It costs about $6,000 to do though. I was estimating about $3500 to have all the extra stuff the MR has put on the RS. Like CF wing, Vortex Gen., Radio (aftermarket of course), PW PL PM, and It would still be about 50lbs lighter.
The difference in tranny is the most important factor. There isn't very much. The first three gear ratios in the MR and RS are almost identical (the MR's are a little shorter but not by much). Fourth and Fifth gear are cut by a third, same in the STI.(But the STI gear ratios are all shorter than all the Evo's) The only problem with the 5-speed is switching form 4th gear to 5th gear. The acceleration goes down quite a bit. So they cut the 4th and 5th gear and added a gear in between. Making the tranny in a 6-speed. That's why it has better torque in higher gears. The problem with this is more shifting. In the STI you have to shift to 3rd gear in order to reach 60mph. In the Evo you can reach 66mph in second gear right before redline. That's the main reason the 5-speed Evo has a better 0 to 60 times. Quarter mile time is almost identical. The STI can make up some of the ground because of there 4th and 5th gear is shorter producing a better torque at the higher speed, (same with the MR). The problem on a track is the likely hood of you actually shifting into 6th would be very rare. Even 5th gear is rarely used. The huge difference where this comes into play Especially the STI and MR vs. the RS is downshifting. In most straight-aways, the STI and MR owner will have to up **** to fifth gear. But in the RS's 5-speed tranny the 4th gear is longer and still holds quiet a bit of torque (less likely to shift to 5th gear). Most likely they will never have to down when approaching a wide turn. And if the turn is shorter they only have to down shift once into third gear. As for the 6-speed tranny, they will almost always have to down shift. And if it's a sharp turn they may even have to downshift 2 to 3 gears. As I said before the 5-speed is a lot faster in the first 4 gears. Less shifting more acceleration. That with the combination of lighter weight make the RS superior on the track. And both RS and MR are faster than the STI because the gear ratios. The Aluminum roof produces a lower center of gravity. So you can take faster turns without having the car roll or slide. Plus the suspension is way beyond any car in its price range, even those cars that cost over $100,000.
I also found the geodynamic design of the car as a big role in how the car performs. The design of the cars body and the aerodynamics help keep the car more solid that the STI. Even though the STI may look more aggressive that aggression does not know how to hold itself together (especially in a tight turn).
Here is also a web site were you can go to see all the RalliArt upgrades
[URL=http://www.poweraxel.com/ralliart/catalogue/index.html]
Last edited by Clue?sion; Dec 1, 2004 at 11:05 PM.
Originally Posted by Clue?sion
The RS is only made for competition. I thing you should do a little research first
The RS is an exceptional vehicle. All Rally competitions use the RS Model. Unfortunately They had developed a 6-speed tranny for the RS same as the MR. But it's track runs did worse than the 5speed by a couple of seconds. The difference between the RS and the MR is the tranny. That's is really it. You can even convert an RS into the MR 6-speed. It costs about $6,000 to do though. I was estimating about $3500 to have all the extra stuff the MR has put on the RS. Like CF wing, Vortex Gen., Radio (aftermarket of course), PW PL PM, and It would still be about 50lbs lighter.
The difference in tranny is the most important factor. There isn't very much. The first three gear ratios in the MR and RS are almost identical (the MR's are a little shorter but not by much). Fourth and Fifth gear are cut by a third, same in the STI.(But the STI gear ratios are all shorter than all the Evo's) The only problem with the 5-speed is switching form 4th gear to 5th gear. The acceleration goes down quite a bit. So they cut the 4th and 5th gear and added a gear in between. Making the tranny in a 6-speed. That's why it has better torque in higher gears. The problem with this is more shifting. In the STI you have to shift to 3rd gear in order to reach 60mph. In the Evo you can reach 66mph in second gear right before redline. That's the main reason the 5-speed Evo has a better 0 to 60 times. Quarter mile time is almost identical. The STI can make up some of the ground because of there 4th and 5th gear is shorter producing a better torque at the higher speed, (same with the MR). The problem on a track is the likely hood of you actually shifting into 6th would be very rare. Even 5th gear is rarely used. The huge difference where this comes into play Especially the STI and MR vs. the RS is downshifting. In most straight-aways, the STI and MR owner will have to up **** to fifth gear. But in the RS's 5-speed tranny the 4th gear is longer and still holds quiet a bit of torque (less likely to shift to 5th gear). Most likely they will never have to down when approaching a wide turn. And if the turn is shorter they only have to down shift once into third gear. As for the 6-speed tranny, they will almost always have to down shift. And if it's a sharp turn they may even have to downshift 2 to 3 gears. As I said before the 5-speed is a lot faster in the first 4 gears. Less shifting more acceleration. That with the combination of lighter weight make the RS superior on the track. And both RS and MR are faster than the STI because the gear ratios. The Aluminum roof produces a lower center of gravity. So you can take faster turns without having the car roll or slide. Plus the suspension is way beyond any car in its price range, even those cars that cost over $100,000.
I also found the geodynamic design of the car as a big role in how the car performs. The design of the cars body and the aerodynamics help keep the car more solid that the STI. Even though the STI may look more aggressive that aggression does not know how to hold itself together (especially in a tight turn).
Here is also a web site were you can go to see all the RalliArt upgrades
[URL=http://www.poweraxel.com/ralliart/catalogue/index.html]
The RS is an exceptional vehicle. All Rally competitions use the RS Model. Unfortunately They had developed a 6-speed tranny for the RS same as the MR. But it's track runs did worse than the 5speed by a couple of seconds. The difference between the RS and the MR is the tranny. That's is really it. You can even convert an RS into the MR 6-speed. It costs about $6,000 to do though. I was estimating about $3500 to have all the extra stuff the MR has put on the RS. Like CF wing, Vortex Gen., Radio (aftermarket of course), PW PL PM, and It would still be about 50lbs lighter.
The difference in tranny is the most important factor. There isn't very much. The first three gear ratios in the MR and RS are almost identical (the MR's are a little shorter but not by much). Fourth and Fifth gear are cut by a third, same in the STI.(But the STI gear ratios are all shorter than all the Evo's) The only problem with the 5-speed is switching form 4th gear to 5th gear. The acceleration goes down quite a bit. So they cut the 4th and 5th gear and added a gear in between. Making the tranny in a 6-speed. That's why it has better torque in higher gears. The problem with this is more shifting. In the STI you have to shift to 3rd gear in order to reach 60mph. In the Evo you can reach 66mph in second gear right before redline. That's the main reason the 5-speed Evo has a better 0 to 60 times. Quarter mile time is almost identical. The STI can make up some of the ground because of there 4th and 5th gear is shorter producing a better torque at the higher speed, (same with the MR). The problem on a track is the likely hood of you actually shifting into 6th would be very rare. Even 5th gear is rarely used. The huge difference where this comes into play Especially the STI and MR vs. the RS is downshifting. In most straight-aways, the STI and MR owner will have to up **** to fifth gear. But in the RS's 5-speed tranny the 4th gear is longer and still holds quiet a bit of torque (less likely to shift to 5th gear). Most likely they will never have to down when approaching a wide turn. And if the turn is shorter they only have to down shift once into third gear. As for the 6-speed tranny, they will almost always have to down shift. And if it's a sharp turn they may even have to downshift 2 to 3 gears. As I said before the 5-speed is a lot faster in the first 4 gears. Less shifting more acceleration. That with the combination of lighter weight make the RS superior on the track. And both RS and MR are faster than the STI because the gear ratios. The Aluminum roof produces a lower center of gravity. So you can take faster turns without having the car roll or slide. Plus the suspension is way beyond any car in its price range, even those cars that cost over $100,000.
I also found the geodynamic design of the car as a big role in how the car performs. The design of the cars body and the aerodynamics help keep the car more solid that the STI. Even though the STI may look more aggressive that aggression does not know how to hold itself together (especially in a tight turn).
Here is also a web site were you can go to see all the RalliArt upgrades
[URL=http://www.poweraxel.com/ralliart/catalogue/index.html]
2) the 8 lbs less on the roof doesn't magically give you the ability to take turns without having the car "roll or slide"
3) true, the MR or STI will have to upshift to 5th, but they get the faster 4th gear on acceleration, which MORE than makes up for the half-second it takes to shift.
4) downshifting 2-3 gears doesn't slow you down much more than downshifting 1 gear lower; you just go from 5th to 3rd (or 6th to 4th) if you need to.
5) the RS really isn't all that Mitsu cracked it up to be. The ABS actually works really well on the track. So does the rear spoiler.
No the the USMD MR isn't all it's cracked up to be. I do agree a little about the ABS on some tracks surfaces but the 6-speed on the Track is inferior. Especially in the WRC. 4th and 5th gear are critical on the strait aways. Where the 5-speed only has to shift into fourth gear. The 6-speed has to shift into 5th gear in order th reach the same desired speed. Then in upcoming turns the 5-speed only has to down shift into 3rd maybe into 2nd. Now comming off the turn going from 2nd to 4th is faster than going from 2nd to 5th. And by the time you have to shift into 5th gear the turn is already infront of you again.
Originally Posted by Clue?sion
No the the USMD MR isn't all it's cracked up to be. I do agree a little about the ABS on some tracks surfaces but the 6-speed on the Track is inferior. Especially in the WRC. 4th and 5th gear are critical on the strait aways. Where the 5-speed only has to shift into fourth gear. The 6-speed has to shift into 5th gear in order th reach the same desired speed. Then in upcoming turns the 5-speed only has to down shift into 3rd maybe into 2nd. Now comming off the turn going from 2nd to 4th is faster than going from 2nd to 5th. And by the time you have to shift into 5th gear the turn is already infront of you again.
EVERYONE KNOWS that with the 6 speed, you now have to shift one more gear to reach the same desired speed. BUT, with the 6-speed, you have that extra 4th gear that is much shorter and will accelerate you to that desired speed QUICKER than with the 5-speed.
EVERYTHING ELSE BEING EQUAL, yes, going from 2nd to 4th takes less time than going from 2nd to 5th. But read: WITH THE EXTRA GEAR (the shorter 4th), YOU CAN GET THERE QUICKER. The time saved MORE than trades off with the time you would lose on an additional upshift.
