US spec EVO screw up badly....
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Re: US spec EVO screw up badly....
Originally posted by phoenixM
For such money do u agree
screw up very badly this time? Do up the specs on Sti. I'm very dissapointed about it.
For such money do u agree
screw up very badly this time? Do up the specs on Sti. I'm very dissapointed about it.
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I spoke with a Subaru rep about 2 months ago, He said that there was no way the STI would be under $30K. He said base price should be around $32K. And I know this is just word of mouth, but if everyone hasn't noticed, the Subaru reps have been much more up-to-date and more knowledgeable about the release of the STI. Not that 'm knocking on , I think were getting a quality car with the EVO VIII, just the dealer reps, a little clueless.
, I think were getting a quality car with the EVO VIII, just the dealer reps, a little clueless.
Re: US spec EVO screw up badly....
Originally posted by phoenixM
For such money do u agree screw up very badly this time? Do up the specs on Sti. I'm very dissapointed about it.
For such money do u agree
screw up very badly this time? Do up the specs on Sti. I'm very dissapointed about it.
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Except for the slightly increased weight, the Evo 8 is better than the Evo 7, so I cannot really see what you mean.
However, that weight increase is supposed to come from a stiffened body over the 7. I think that was on the official Mitsubishi specification sheet. If that's the case, the Evo 8 will be the best Evo ever.
As for the STI: having 2.5 l and making 300 ft/lbs and 300 bhp, I find that pretty low. An Evo with a freed up exhaust and 1.3 - 1.5 bars of boost makes much more than that, on a 2l engine.
If you want a stroked motor, you can buy that for the price difference between the Evo and the STI, except that you can get the very best available internals that will take much more torque and bhp than stock Subaru internals.
No matter which way you look at it, the STI will only be able to compete with the Evo if it is a lot cheaper.
All the people who stopped posting here when they heard that the STI makes 29 bhp more make me smile weakly
They miss the point of what an Evo is about. At least, that way, this forum will stay an enthusiasts' place! 
I wont see you on the Subaru forums
Bye
Claudius
However, that weight increase is supposed to come from a stiffened body over the 7. I think that was on the official Mitsubishi specification sheet. If that's the case, the Evo 8 will be the best Evo ever.
As for the STI: having 2.5 l and making 300 ft/lbs and 300 bhp, I find that pretty low. An Evo with a freed up exhaust and 1.3 - 1.5 bars of boost makes much more than that, on a 2l engine.
If you want a stroked motor, you can buy that for the price difference between the Evo and the STI, except that you can get the very best available internals that will take much more torque and bhp than stock Subaru internals.
No matter which way you look at it, the STI will only be able to compete with the Evo if it is a lot cheaper.
All the people who stopped posting here when they heard that the STI makes 29 bhp more make me smile weakly
They miss the point of what an Evo is about. At least, that way, this forum will stay an enthusiasts' place! I wont see you on the Subaru forums
Bye
Claudius
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How much do you think a good stroked motor would cost. I like the fact that we get the Sti and a bigger engine is nice and at first I was enthralled with these facts about the Sti but I really feel I should stick with the Evo. I think I'll wait till they test both before I make my decision. I think I'll still stick with the Evo though.
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Claudius....so i can take the car out door with $29,000? I have seen EVO in person and it looks very nice. In the other hand my friend asked me to save few thousand bucks instead of EVO get a WRX which can be mod very easily. I'm confused!!! 
WRX 24K
17" wheels and tires $1500
Suspention $1700
Brakes 4pod $700
You get the idea. Power mods and etc. Evo is a better deal! Recario, brembos, large duty FMIC. Twin scroll turbo charger, Awesome suspention, stronger driver train etc......
You get the point. Your friend is crazy for making such a suggestion.
17" wheels and tires $1500
Suspention $1700
Brakes 4pod $700
You get the idea. Power mods and etc. Evo is a better deal! Recario, brembos, large duty FMIC. Twin scroll turbo charger, Awesome suspention, stronger driver train etc......
You get the point. Your friend is crazy for making such a suggestion.
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both the WRX and the Evo are great deals. But they are at completly differnt price points.
WRX $24k
Evo $30k (probably with the big wing if it isn't included)
The Evo will probably whoop on the WRX stock vs stock, it's a more expensive car - and it should. A Z06 will whoop on an Evo (drag racing, track stuff) stock vs stock, and it should, it is $20k more expensive. A Viper will whoop on a Z06 stock vs stock... its all about the money people, the more you spend on a sports car, the more car you get - for the most part anyway, there are some bad deals out there, but the WRX and Evo certainly do not fall into that catigory.
WRX $24k
Evo $30k (probably with the big wing if it isn't included)
The Evo will probably whoop on the WRX stock vs stock, it's a more expensive car - and it should. A Z06 will whoop on an Evo (drag racing, track stuff) stock vs stock, and it should, it is $20k more expensive. A Viper will whoop on a Z06 stock vs stock... its all about the money people, the more you spend on a sports car, the more car you get - for the most part anyway, there are some bad deals out there, but the WRX and Evo certainly do not fall into that catigory.
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name another car at under $30k that has these features that don't require replacement in a modded car - recaro seats, 13" 4 pot Brembo brakes, FMIC - these 3 items alone would run you $6k+ to upgrade in a WRX, RSX S-Type, etc - making those cars cost $30k and have less HP.
The Evo is a terific deal, as are both versions of the WRX - it just depends how much you want to spend.
The Evo is a terific deal, as are both versions of the WRX - it just depends how much you want to spend.
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HI ALL: Just so you know, I was at the l.a. auto show, where they had the STi and it's spec's, release date and price.
$38,500.
I walked over to the mitsu side and asked about the ACD/AYC evo and they had no idea if and when it would be released.
$38,500.
I walked over to the mitsu side and asked about the ACD/AYC evo and they had no idea if and when it would be released.
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Originally posted by evoloverebdb
HI ALL: Just so you know, I was at the l.a. auto show, where they had the STi and it's spec's, release date and price.
$38,500.
I walked over to the mitsu side and asked about the ACD/AYC evo and they had no idea if and when it would be released.
HI ALL: Just so you know, I was at the l.a. auto show, where they had the STi and it's spec's, release date and price.
$38,500.
I walked over to the mitsu side and asked about the ACD/AYC evo and they had no idea if and when it would be released.
38,500!!!!!
