when the hell are we going to get a real test?
Originally posted by MrAWD
I would be willing to put money down on the JDM STi over the US STi every day! First, I don't believe that 276/280 HP is even close to the real rating of the thing, and better turbo, Auto feature on the DCCD and probably less weight should win over!
Fedja
I would be willing to put money down on the JDM STi over the US STi every day! First, I don't believe that 276/280 HP is even close to the real rating of the thing, and better turbo, Auto feature on the DCCD and probably less weight should win over!
Fedja
Originally posted by s4awd
You are absolutely right. But I just can't afford a $33K subie with no radio and most likely a markup. Everytime I say STi, the price always brings me back to reality. Evo for me. I'm gonna be jealous when I see an STi, I'm not gonna lie.
You are absolutely right. But I just can't afford a $33K subie with no radio and most likely a markup. Everytime I say STi, the price always brings me back to reality. Evo for me. I'm gonna be jealous when I see an STi, I'm not gonna lie.
MSRP.... Not so with EVOs....
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I have done magazine testing with Car and Driver (on the west coast) , Road and Track , Motor Trend , and Sport Compact Car.
Everyone tests at different tracks - with different drivers - under different conditions. Testing with Car and Driver was done at altitude on a hot day. It was corrected to standard conditions - but the test equipment used was dated. Maybe in Michigan they use better equipment.
Motor Trend and SCC both use radar guns . SCC numbers include roll out. Motor Trends numbers - I didnt ask if they include roll out. SCC recently has been testing at Fontana - which is 1200 feet - and a converted parking lot drag strip. Motor Trend tests at an airport with a fairly poor surface.
I never saw Road and Track do instrumented testing - so I can not comment on how and what they do.
I have driven a Japan spec WRX STi with a 2.2 stroker kit. I was never really that impressed with the car. It was not that fast - I think it ran the quarter in mid 13 range. And for what it was and what was done to it - I was expecting more.
Everyone tests at different tracks - with different drivers - under different conditions. Testing with Car and Driver was done at altitude on a hot day. It was corrected to standard conditions - but the test equipment used was dated. Maybe in Michigan they use better equipment.
Motor Trend and SCC both use radar guns . SCC numbers include roll out. Motor Trends numbers - I didnt ask if they include roll out. SCC recently has been testing at Fontana - which is 1200 feet - and a converted parking lot drag strip. Motor Trend tests at an airport with a fairly poor surface.
I never saw Road and Track do instrumented testing - so I can not comment on how and what they do.
I have driven a Japan spec WRX STi with a 2.2 stroker kit. I was never really that impressed with the car. It was not that fast - I think it ran the quarter in mid 13 range. And for what it was and what was done to it - I was expecting more.
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Originally posted by tyndago
I have done magazine testing with Car and Driver (on the west coast) , Road and Track , Motor Trend , and Sport Compact Car.
Everyone tests at different tracks - with different drivers - under different conditions. Testing with Car and Driver was done at altitude on a hot day. It was corrected to standard conditions - but the test equipment used was dated. Maybe in Michigan they use better equipment.
Motor Trend and SCC both use radar guns . SCC numbers include roll out. Motor Trends numbers - I didnt ask if they include roll out. SCC recently has been testing at Fontana - which is 1200 feet - and a converted parking lot drag strip. Motor Trend tests at an airport with a fairly poor surface.
I never saw Road and Track do instrumented testing - so I can not comment on how and what they do.
Have you been testing the evo 8?
I have driven a Japan spec WRX STi with a 2.2 stroker kit. I was never really that impressed with the car. It was not that fast - I think it ran the quarter in mid 13 range. And for what it was and what was done to it - I was expecting more.
I have done magazine testing with Car and Driver (on the west coast) , Road and Track , Motor Trend , and Sport Compact Car.
Everyone tests at different tracks - with different drivers - under different conditions. Testing with Car and Driver was done at altitude on a hot day. It was corrected to standard conditions - but the test equipment used was dated. Maybe in Michigan they use better equipment.
Motor Trend and SCC both use radar guns . SCC numbers include roll out. Motor Trends numbers - I didnt ask if they include roll out. SCC recently has been testing at Fontana - which is 1200 feet - and a converted parking lot drag strip. Motor Trend tests at an airport with a fairly poor surface.
I never saw Road and Track do instrumented testing - so I can not comment on how and what they do.
Have you been testing the evo 8?
I have driven a Japan spec WRX STi with a 2.2 stroker kit. I was never really that impressed with the car. It was not that fast - I think it ran the quarter in mid 13 range. And for what it was and what was done to it - I was expecting more.
The magazine guys did go to Thailand for the world wide launch. The one I talked to said the car was so awesome that when his editor read the article he wrote when he got back...he told him to rewrite it because it was too positive! He said to take a couple of days off and rethink it! That was before the Sti was announced
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From: Westchester NY
Originally posted by chronohunter
The magazine guys did go to Thailand for the world wide launch. The one I talked to said the car was so awesome that when his editor read the article he wrote when he got back...he told him to rewrite it because it was too positive! He said to take a couple of days off and rethink it! That was before the Sti was announced
The magazine guys did go to Thailand for the world wide launch. The one I talked to said the car was so awesome that when his editor read the article he wrote when he got back...he told him to rewrite it because it was too positive! He said to take a couple of days off and rethink it! That was before the Sti was announced
I can't tell, but it was for a major magazine. I cornered him at the Detroit Show. He absolutly raved about the balance of the car, he said it stayed amazingly planted across apex curbs and the engine pulled and pulled. Article next issue I think(?)
ya, i get all of the decent magazines.
c&D, MT, R&T, automobile, Superstreet (there is a red evo pic in there, but nothing new), SCC (which has not come out yet for their february issue...so maybe they will suprise us???)
c&D, MT, R&T, automobile, Superstreet (there is a red evo pic in there, but nothing new), SCC (which has not come out yet for their february issue...so maybe they will suprise us???)
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To be honest, the Evo or the STi will end up being whatever you are willing to make it, with effort and especially money.
If you're willing to put in the time, and invest a lot of money, you can make an Evo that will smear any STi all over the road.
The difference between the two cars in their stock form is not large enough to be that dramatic when tuned.
Any great tuner Evo will have an engine stroking performed, most likely the JUN 2.2L kit, so the displacement won't matter a ton in the long-run.
So, basically, if you're a tuner at all, get whichever one is nicest looking to you, because it won't be stock on the inside.
If you're going to leave the car stock, test drive them both and pick the one that fits your driving style.
Thats about all there is to say.
P.S. - I am also anxiously awaiting a mag review. I checked out the new Car and Driver and Motor Trend and they had nothing. Hell, I might be able to do my own Evo test drive before they publish one.
If you're willing to put in the time, and invest a lot of money, you can make an Evo that will smear any STi all over the road.
The difference between the two cars in their stock form is not large enough to be that dramatic when tuned.
Any great tuner Evo will have an engine stroking performed, most likely the JUN 2.2L kit, so the displacement won't matter a ton in the long-run.
So, basically, if you're a tuner at all, get whichever one is nicest looking to you, because it won't be stock on the inside.
If you're going to leave the car stock, test drive them both and pick the one that fits your driving style.
Thats about all there is to say.
P.S. - I am also anxiously awaiting a mag review. I checked out the new Car and Driver and Motor Trend and they had nothing. Hell, I might be able to do my own Evo test drive before they publish one.
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Originally posted by chronohunter
He absolutly raved about the balance of the car, he said it stayed amazingly planted across apex curbs and the engine pulled and pulled. Article next issue I think(?)
He absolutly raved about the balance of the car, he said it stayed amazingly planted across apex curbs and the engine pulled and pulled. Article next issue I think(?)
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From: Texas...panhandle...ugh
Originally posted by Turbo442
If I was invited to Thailand by Mitsubishi to test the EVO8 would I say anything bad about the car?.....HELL NO! Best car I ever driven! Why trash my chances at a career in journalism. Obviously active differentials are important to the handling of an AWD. Otherwise Subaru and Mitsubishi would leave it off. Let the flames begin!
If I was invited to Thailand by Mitsubishi to test the EVO8 would I say anything bad about the car?.....HELL NO! Best car I ever driven! Why trash my chances at a career in journalism. Obviously active differentials are important to the handling of an AWD. Otherwise Subaru and Mitsubishi would leave it off. Let the flames begin!
Originally posted by suave3747
To be honest, the Evo or the STi will end up being whatever you are willing to make it, with effort and especially money.
If you're willing to put in the time, and invest a lot of money, you can make an Evo that will smear any STi all over the road.
The difference between the two cars in their stock form is not large enough to be that dramatic when tuned.
Any great tuner Evo will have an engine stroking performed, most likely the JUN 2.2L kit, so the displacement won't matter a ton in the long-run.
So, basically, if you're a tuner at all, get whichever one is nicest looking to you, because it won't be stock on the inside.
If you're going to leave the car stock, test drive them both and pick the one that fits your driving style.
To be honest, the Evo or the STi will end up being whatever you are willing to make it, with effort and especially money.
If you're willing to put in the time, and invest a lot of money, you can make an Evo that will smear any STi all over the road.
The difference between the two cars in their stock form is not large enough to be that dramatic when tuned.
Any great tuner Evo will have an engine stroking performed, most likely the JUN 2.2L kit, so the displacement won't matter a ton in the long-run.
So, basically, if you're a tuner at all, get whichever one is nicest looking to you, because it won't be stock on the inside.
If you're going to leave the car stock, test drive them both and pick the one that fits your driving style.
I will no doubt go for a serious double-friction clutch upgrade, but I really don't want to have to rebuild the entire tranny with upgraded components just because I upped the hp by 40%. As for the ACD, I don't think the aftermarket is big on those (or AYC) and the basic balance and toughness of the car are not easily redone. The rest, I'd love to take off and be given a refund (like the STi turbo, IC, and plumming...or the Evo's wheels, brakes, and much of the suspension.
So, I look to what the upgrades are going to do to the rest of the system...and then I look at what I wanna start with to build. That is not an easy choice.