Is that with a stock clutch? I thought if you launch it a few times with the stock clutch it would burn out.

 

ive gotten 1.62 with the stock clutch several times and a 1.62 with my act clutch.

i probably had 20 passes on my stock clutch when it went out.

 

DAMN! My best was 1.69 on act clutch. I think its harder when u get a new clutch cause the clutch doesnt slip for u at all it just locks onto tha flywheel.

 

How is 1.75 mediocre on the stock clutch with few mods? I haven't heard of anyone cut a 1.6x on the stock clutch in an 05 yet, but even if some have, it's very rare. I have done a best of 1.71 and a worst of 1.79 since figuring out the 5k limiter. I'd say that's pretty good, since the better 05 drivers have been getting 1.70-1.72, also. I'm pretty sure I'll get consistent 1.6x's now with an ACT. I go to 3 different tracks, because they are open at different times and all are about the same distance from where I live (1 hour), but in different directions. 1 runs Friday night, 1 Saturday during the day, and the other is Sunday during the day. I DO have timeslips from each track. The 12.8 at 106.3 with just an S-AFC was at Capitol Raceway in Croftin, MD, while the 12.2s in my sig were at Mason Dixon Dragway in Beltsville, MD, or something. The 3rd track is MIR, and is well-known, because they have big Import events there. I'm attaching the one and only timeslip from that one just now. The launch was muffed, which is why I _only_ ran a 12.34 despite an 89.52mph 1/8th, and I wasn't able to do anymore runs, because time ran out.

I may have hit a nerve with a few, but the ones who I respond to directly (in the drag racing forum) usually thank me for the help. I don't respond with derogatory remarks or claim to be a better driver; I tell them what they are truly capable of and provide helpful solutions in hopes of fixing any possible problems. Of course I don't know all the special conditions and variables, but I do know what works for me and what works for most. If a certain car doesn't reach that potential at the track, then I think it's worth looking in to. If people are happy to run slower, then that's fine. Those who want their car to run to its potential usually PM me and ask questions on how to do just that. I've received countless PMs with questions pertaining to drag times and dyno readings, all of which I have responded to in a helpful manner. Locally, I do the same thing...we had a guy with cams and bolt-ons who dyno'd less than I did. I try to provide the same help as I do here by logging his runs for him and helping to interpret the timing results along with his AFRs. I'm quite certain that if he had done his testing at the drag strip, he would have had low MPH just like many people here, yet been none the wiser unless someone like me spoke up. It's not a matter of being condescending, but rather being honest and forward, otherwise people remain blissfully ignorant. To some, that's OK, but to me, it's not, so I try to help out...

 

That's obviously not normal, and if you didn't improve with the ACT, then the 1.62 wasn't a result of pure skill, but rather a combination of unknown factors, which obviously lead to premature failure of the clutch. I went 35 passes on my stock clutch before it went out, but it was from pure abuse on my part when running those 3 tracks within 24 hours with 20 passes combined. Had I stuck to 4-5 per trip to the strip, I would still be using the stocker. I also launch in a manner that gets good 60's, but that doesn't shock the drivetrain. I don't dump like I used to in the past with my DSMs (1.63-1.65 avg), but that's hardly a matter of skill...more a matter of preference (and drivetrain longevity).

 

so are you saying that your dragracer friend got 3-4mph over your 106? So he ran a 110mph in your car on the same day? Post your slip and his slip and then I can explain it. And don't post the slip where you didn't launch. Also both runs have to be clean meaning shifting at the right rpm and no misshifts. I stand by what I say if the run is clean w/ launch then it is very unlikely to increase mph dramatically.

 

His problem is that he thinks the changes in 60'/mph are linear, but they are not. A 2.7 60' is basically no 60'. The mph suffers, because it means you spent a second or so just slowly rolling forward without reall accelerating. This affects et/mph drastically. A 2.2 60' is still barely a 60' at all, but at least in this case, there is an actual launch attempt that probably resulted in a bog. This, too, affects et and mph, but is far better than a 2.7 in terms of getting out of the hole. If you go from a 2.2 to a 1.7, there would most likely be another increase in mph, and a definite improvement in ET. It probably won't be 10 mph, though. Until you go out and actually launch the car and get a full, clean run, you won't know your actual mph, nor your actual power being made.

All of that being said, anjapower, you assumed that I don't take such things into account, but you're wrong. If the guy had a 2.7 or 2.2 60', I would immediately point to that and recommend going straight back to the track until a 1.8 60' is achieved. In this case, driv's 60' was already fine, so his mph is VERY indicative of his horsepower. In my opinion, he's underpowered, especially on race gas.

 

I haven't read many other posts by warrtalon but what he says on this thread makes a lot of sense and is not condescending. And I think his times for his mods are quite impressive. I would say his 12.22@109 is much more impressive than evildylans 12.09@117 cuz at 117 you should definitely be running 11's or something is not right. Also a 1.75 60ft time is very respectable for stock clutch not just mediocre. If I was to be able to make say 40 runs w/ 1.75 60ft vs. 20 runs w/ 1.62 60ft I'll take the 40 runs any day. With drag racing you gotta decide if you wanna go all out and risk breaking parts or just wanna take it easy and save money.

 

Well said. I think Warrtalon brings a lot of usefull information to the table. He takes his track time very seriously.

 

good job either way.

 

There is no doubt about that in my mind at all.

But Warrtalon, the way you come off 90% of the time is very high and mighty. Obvious by how others responded after I posted that I was waiting for a reply from you.

What does that say?

 

Yeah, bring those 60' times down and you will be in the low 12's for sure. When I ran the difference between a 1.8 60' I ran and a 1.6 60' was about .4 in the 1/4, 12.7 with a 1.8 and 12.3 with a 1.6. Also my different 60's didn't result in as much difference in trap speeds as you might expect. I ran a 108 trap on my 1.6 60', and a 105 on a 2.3 60' that I bogged badly.

Good job overall though and keep practicing .

 

Evildylan,


How in the hell are you trapping 117mph with your simple mods?


intake
MBC
ecu +
Buschur TB exhaust w/ test pipe
vishnu cam gears
255 lph fuel pump

12.09@117.1 Best 1/4 mile
7.72 @ 91.3 Best 1/8 mile
1.62 Best 60 foot

Are you using c16 gas? did you raced your car with 30 degrees temps? did you reduce weight?, I want to know, people with the same mods trap from 104-110 at the most.
All the info that you provided trully looks and reads imposible for the average driver: 1.62 on the 60'? do you have slicks? are you running upgrade clutch? are you at sea level? Is your car a 03-04 or a 05?

If everything is tru, congrats for having the fastet known EVO with fewer mods...

 

114 octane, my peak power is at 7400 rpm, no weight reduction, temps were mid 70's.

LOL @ having to use slicks to get a 1.6 60 foot. it's really not that hard. just good timing with the clutch and gas. Ive pulled probably 10+ 1.6x 60 foot times. Also there's a few people on this board that can vouch for my ability to launch.

like i said, my b est time on stock clutch is 1.62 and with my ACT it's also a 1.62

i did it with stock tires, and now im running some falken azenis st-115 255/40/17.

Also, im not saying im a great driver, but i do believe im better than aveage.

 

What altitude are you at? Good ET, just wondering about the mph.