the most accurate type of dyno
Originally Posted by plokivos
Dyno Dynamics setup is very sweet.
Dynojet also had different setups, so you have to be fairely specific talking about dynojet.
Dynojet also had different setups, so you have to be fairely specific talking about dynojet.
Originally Posted by Dustin@Vishnu
I think a better question would be of consistancy. The number the dyno spits out is just number, whether it be 200whp or 250whp. The important part of the equation, from a tuning stand point is the consistancy, and useablity the dyno has. If given the same conditions and equal power output, a good dyno will read the same every time, and the charts will overlay eachother. So what are the downfalls of each?
Dynojets: These dynos use large rollers in order to create their load. This means that if the same conditions are met, the chart may show up somewhat different, because of the harmonic noise of the dyno. This can make the dynocharts somewhat hard to read, when looking for knock. Also, the run can't be seen until it is finished.
Mustang Dynos: The biggest downfall of this dyno is the way it collects data. Mustang dynos collect 8 data points during the run, and then connect the dots. Obviously, this poses huge issues when looking for knock events and such.
Dyno Dynamics: The number. People looking for bragging rights need to go elsewhere. On the other hand, unlike the other two, it plots each individual point, and also draws the line in real time, in extremely high resolution. This is important when looking for knock events, or lean burn.
Dynojets: These dynos use large rollers in order to create their load. This means that if the same conditions are met, the chart may show up somewhat different, because of the harmonic noise of the dyno. This can make the dynocharts somewhat hard to read, when looking for knock. Also, the run can't be seen until it is finished.
Mustang Dynos: The biggest downfall of this dyno is the way it collects data. Mustang dynos collect 8 data points during the run, and then connect the dots. Obviously, this poses huge issues when looking for knock events and such.
Dyno Dynamics: The number. People looking for bragging rights need to go elsewhere. On the other hand, unlike the other two, it plots each individual point, and also draws the line in real time, in extremely high resolution. This is important when looking for knock events, or lean burn.
You forgot something. Dyno Dynamics=$$$$$$$$$$$$
not sure how many. this was just on 04's and 03's. when i was there it was just before the 05's came out. they had the dyno for quite some time before i was there so i'd say it was out of a good number of evo's.
yeh, i do wish someone would do a sae corrected mustang dyno on different model evo and figure this out.
dynograph and 1/4 mile time will be great with it.
but then again, really, you could have the fastest evo and driver could produce some horrible results.
I also noticed that this forum is completely going toward drag racing.
With doing auto-x, i wouldn't want my evo to spool up at 6000rpm, no matter how much power i have.
With the low peak whp and tq, i would still be happy if my spool is fast, engine responsive is quick, consistant and balanced with least possible amount of lag.
dynograph and 1/4 mile time will be great with it.
but then again, really, you could have the fastest evo and driver could produce some horrible results.
I also noticed that this forum is completely going toward drag racing.
With doing auto-x, i wouldn't want my evo to spool up at 6000rpm, no matter how much power i have.
With the low peak whp and tq, i would still be happy if my spool is fast, engine responsive is quick, consistant and balanced with least possible amount of lag.
Last edited by plokivos; Aug 3, 2005 at 10:26 PM.
Mustang is the best for tuning
Dyno jet is the best for comparing dyno to dyno power
Dyno jet is the best for comparing dyno to dyno power
for various reasons, foremost the real time monitoring.
Also Peoplehave a missconception about how the Mustang collects data.
The Fact of the matter is the unit is about $60k cheaper in AWD configuartion than a DD Unit.
Great unit , just a little pricey IMO
The Fact of the matter is the unit is about $60k cheaper in AWD configuartion than a DD Unit.
Great unit , just a little pricey IMO
DynoDynamics is THE best. Like the saying goes, you get what you pay for. So, who cares what the price of the dyno is if the tuner wants to provide the best.
I do think that a mustang dyno and a DD dyno are similar in many respects. I just like output provided by the DD, and the many different sources it can log. I think in this game consistency is key.
I do think that a mustang dyno and a DD dyno are similar in many respects. I just like output provided by the DD, and the many different sources it can log. I think in this game consistency is key.
Like Al said the Mustang Dyno is the best for tuning. And if the Mustang Dyno is dialed in right after it is set up then it can show numers similer to the Dynojet. We have both here in my area. My buddy made 367 on the Dynojet and 354 on the Mustang Dyno. And he had a better tune when he came off of the Mustang Dyno... Bruce
DYNOS ARE TUNING DEVICES, AND SHOULD NEVER BE USED TO SHOW HOW MUCH REAL WORLD POWER THE MOTOR IS MAKING.
The only thing dynos are good for are back to back comparisons of different tunes (baseline run, later that day tuned run)
Dynos are used to show gains and losses from tuning, not to tell you how much power you're making. If you want to know that goto an engine dyno.
THAT SAID, DynoJet dynos are the most consistant dyno location to location due to the fact that the dyno operator is entering minimal parameters. For example if you dyno on a DynoJet 424x in NY and then one in Florida, the SAE corrected numbers should be within 2%. This is the reason that most people, my self included, prefer DynoJet numbers. (Although, there are ways to alter the files to make it appear to make more power without any of the displayed parameters being changed)
Mustangs, DynoDynamics, SuperFlow all require the dyno operator to factor in a correction factor. This correction factor can either make the WHP output very high or very low. When on these dynos most of the operators enter in correction factors to attempt to get their machines to read close to a local dyno jet. Although I have seen "shadier" shops use this input ability to inflate dyno results for cars they have tuned/shop setups to drum up business.
As far as DynoDynamic's consistancy, the BEST I've ever personally seen for a DD dyno is 3% variation back to back pulls. I think that's about average, certainly not the "best" in terms of consistancy. DD does offer a massive ammount of logging information standard (items like AFR are optional w/ DynoJets) which is very nice. I've never liked the software though; the power curves don't scale well, the general interface is too dated and the printouts are sub par. Overall, I'm not a huge fan of DD, although I do very much so like their dyno design. If they update their software and adopt a un-alterable weather station w/ set parameters for user input to avoid number inflation I would highly reccomend a DD system. I know a lot of guys sing the high praises of the DynoDynamics because they're so sensitive due to the low weight of it's rollers, but I've never liked the extreme dips and peaks it ends up reading.
Overall, I think it's an excellent Dyno with ****TY software.
Mustang and DynoJet's WinPEP 7, are by far the best "looking" dyno readouts.
As to what dyno is best for tuning, at this point the "big 3" DD, DynoJet and Mustang all offer variable load so they all can be used for partial throttle and WOT tuning. Mustangs I believe use a water brake system (correct me if I'm wrong) like the old Clayton dynos; DynoJet uses I believe a similar system to the DynoDynamics for load adjustment.
But the Short and Sweet of it: Use 1 dyno and 1 dyno only to tune your car. If you want to compare setups to another car, you MUST use the exact same dyno they used to get a truly ACCURATE comparison. A DYNO IS A TUNING DEVICE NOT AN INTERCOCK ENLARGER.
The only thing dynos are good for are back to back comparisons of different tunes (baseline run, later that day tuned run)
Dynos are used to show gains and losses from tuning, not to tell you how much power you're making. If you want to know that goto an engine dyno.
THAT SAID, DynoJet dynos are the most consistant dyno location to location due to the fact that the dyno operator is entering minimal parameters. For example if you dyno on a DynoJet 424x in NY and then one in Florida, the SAE corrected numbers should be within 2%. This is the reason that most people, my self included, prefer DynoJet numbers. (Although, there are ways to alter the files to make it appear to make more power without any of the displayed parameters being changed)
Mustangs, DynoDynamics, SuperFlow all require the dyno operator to factor in a correction factor. This correction factor can either make the WHP output very high or very low. When on these dynos most of the operators enter in correction factors to attempt to get their machines to read close to a local dyno jet. Although I have seen "shadier" shops use this input ability to inflate dyno results for cars they have tuned/shop setups to drum up business.
As far as DynoDynamic's consistancy, the BEST I've ever personally seen for a DD dyno is 3% variation back to back pulls. I think that's about average, certainly not the "best" in terms of consistancy. DD does offer a massive ammount of logging information standard (items like AFR are optional w/ DynoJets) which is very nice. I've never liked the software though; the power curves don't scale well, the general interface is too dated and the printouts are sub par. Overall, I'm not a huge fan of DD, although I do very much so like their dyno design. If they update their software and adopt a un-alterable weather station w/ set parameters for user input to avoid number inflation I would highly reccomend a DD system. I know a lot of guys sing the high praises of the DynoDynamics because they're so sensitive due to the low weight of it's rollers, but I've never liked the extreme dips and peaks it ends up reading.
Overall, I think it's an excellent Dyno with ****TY software.
Mustang and DynoJet's WinPEP 7, are by far the best "looking" dyno readouts.
As to what dyno is best for tuning, at this point the "big 3" DD, DynoJet and Mustang all offer variable load so they all can be used for partial throttle and WOT tuning. Mustangs I believe use a water brake system (correct me if I'm wrong) like the old Clayton dynos; DynoJet uses I believe a similar system to the DynoDynamics for load adjustment.
But the Short and Sweet of it: Use 1 dyno and 1 dyno only to tune your car. If you want to compare setups to another car, you MUST use the exact same dyno they used to get a truly ACCURATE comparison. A DYNO IS A TUNING DEVICE NOT AN INTERCOCK ENLARGER.
Last edited by SevenFour; Aug 4, 2005 at 08:17 AM.


