25 psi on stock turbo/internals ??
Originally Posted by gsujeff55
you had an unsafe tune today, thats an unsafe tune. quit playing the semantic game....you know i was referring to today, as i have no earthly idea what your day to day tune is.
I also didn't say he didn't run any good times or whatever. I just know he claimed he was going to go to the track and beat my times on his current mods by throwing in some C16, but he didn't make it to the track yet...
Originally Posted by gsujeff55
you had an unsafe tune today, thats an unsafe tune. quit playing the semantic game....you know i was referring to today, as i have no earthly idea what your day to day tune is.
u know, I don't remember playing any games on here. I don't play games on real life either.
I just realize, this is the stupidest thing, fighting online about some crap i don't care about.
really, i could careless you have better time then me in 1/4 miles. You could go 1/4 miles all you want.

if I wanna drag race, i'll get an old camero, twin turbo it and run 8's all day long.
I enjoy driving for the sake of driving and something that involves fine tuning your suspension and fine tuning your driving skills, instead of buckling up and going straight for few seconds.
that's why i stop drag racing. and I remember why i did it too.
Interesting thread. I got a question for ya, This is my first turbo car and Am pretty dumb in certain areas. With that being said please go easy.
AFR, Boost and Timing are the important factors in performance on this car , correct?
increasing boost alone doesn't serve a purpose because the ECU (without being tuned for the increased amount) will pull timing therefore making less power than what you were with the boost tuned for?
Does increasing boost lean out the AFR's ?
If a stock 03 boosts from the factory to 19.5 then tapers to 16-17, It wouldnt be wise to set the MBC to 21 because of ECU wanting to pull timing thinking its overboosting?
I Have a ****load more questions but need more answers to begin mah quest.
Oh and plokivos dont you have a website to promote ? shaddup.
AFR, Boost and Timing are the important factors in performance on this car , correct?
increasing boost alone doesn't serve a purpose because the ECU (without being tuned for the increased amount) will pull timing therefore making less power than what you were with the boost tuned for?
Does increasing boost lean out the AFR's ?
If a stock 03 boosts from the factory to 19.5 then tapers to 16-17, It wouldnt be wise to set the MBC to 21 because of ECU wanting to pull timing thinking its overboosting?
I Have a ****load more questions but need more answers to begin mah quest.
Oh and plokivos dont you have a website to promote ? shaddup.
now there you go again, putting words in my mouth.
when did i say i was going to goto the track and put c16 to beat your time?
you're really one piece of work, arent' you?
man, what was that thing you told me about how your pro driver driving your car to get that time on pm? I know you didn't want me to mention it, i thought everything was cool and you go crazy with this assumption.
I said, there are 28 psi on alky injection. I said i did mine today at 25psi with safc fuel added on stock pump gas today.
I don't remember you being there to witness my afr ratio, timing or anything else for that matter. Just talking and talking with assumption that you know everything...
but it's ok. But I am going to the track in 2 weeks, for the sake of me tuning a bit there, not for the sake of proving anything.
If i wanted to i guess i could get your car to drive your time. which would be the easiest way to prove anything on this useless argument.
when did i say i was going to goto the track and put c16 to beat your time?
you're really one piece of work, arent' you?

man, what was that thing you told me about how your pro driver driving your car to get that time on pm? I know you didn't want me to mention it, i thought everything was cool and you go crazy with this assumption.
I said, there are 28 psi on alky injection. I said i did mine today at 25psi with safc fuel added on stock pump gas today.
I don't remember you being there to witness my afr ratio, timing or anything else for that matter. Just talking and talking with assumption that you know everything...
but it's ok. But I am going to the track in 2 weeks, for the sake of me tuning a bit there, not for the sake of proving anything.
If i wanted to i guess i could get your car to drive your time. which would be the easiest way to prove anything on this useless argument.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Yes, that is all that matters in this thread. Ploki's answer to this thread was very poor in that he said he ran 25psi on a hot day on straight pump gas without mentioning that it is unsafe and quite dumb, then goes on to later claim that he knows it's unsafe and only did it for one day (as if we're supposed to know this through clairvoyance).
I also didn't say he didn't run any good times or whatever. I just know he claimed he was going to go to the track and beat my times on his current mods by throwing in some C16, but he didn't make it to the track yet...
I also didn't say he didn't run any good times or whatever. I just know he claimed he was going to go to the track and beat my times on his current mods by throwing in some C16, but he didn't make it to the track yet...
I don't have anything to promote. it's there for the owners. It's not like i get paid for doing that or make money off of it.
so, maybe you should take back what you said.
so, maybe you should take back what you said.
Originally Posted by KILTERMAN
Interesting thread. I got a question for ya, This is my first turbo car and Am pretty dumb in certain areas. With that being said please go easy.
AFR, Boost and Timing are the important factors in performance on this car , correct?
increasing boost alone doesn't serve a purpose because the ECU (without being tuned for the increased amount) will pull timing therefore making less power than what you were with the boost tuned for?
Does increasing boost lean out the AFR's ?
If a stock 03 boosts from the factory to 19.5 then tapers to 16-17, It wouldnt be wise to set the MBC to 21 because of ECU wanting to pull timing thinking its overboosting?
I Have a ****load more questions but need more answers to begin mah quest.
Oh and plokivos dont you have a website to promote ? shaddup.
AFR, Boost and Timing are the important factors in performance on this car , correct?
increasing boost alone doesn't serve a purpose because the ECU (without being tuned for the increased amount) will pull timing therefore making less power than what you were with the boost tuned for?
Does increasing boost lean out the AFR's ?
If a stock 03 boosts from the factory to 19.5 then tapers to 16-17, It wouldnt be wise to set the MBC to 21 because of ECU wanting to pull timing thinking its overboosting?
I Have a ****load more questions but need more answers to begin mah quest.
Oh and plokivos dont you have a website to promote ? shaddup.
Originally Posted by gsujeff55
eh, im not gonna need this turbo for 60k plus miles.... 
but you are absoloutly right about the rest of the post. i would rather make the extra 15whp though....but i agree, about making the most amount of power out of a given boost level. instead of just cranking the boost to make power. sounds kinda funny, but makes sense to me!

but you are absoloutly right about the rest of the post. i would rather make the extra 15whp though....but i agree, about making the most amount of power out of a given boost level. instead of just cranking the boost to make power. sounds kinda funny, but makes sense to me!
Well,
I don’t have deep pockets
and I want to keep my turbo as long as possible. Its not fruit cake to change every 2 years. The stock turbo is a very tough unit and should last no less than 100K if maintained correctly. Lets say that yours lived for 50~60K that means its living half of its life.Now, I know where you are coming from as I am sure that you and I don’t care much as we can do the labor ourselves but some poor EVO owners out there don’t know the basics of installing turbos and that puts us in square number one.
I just like to put my self in other owners shoes before I make any post.
Thanks
Last edited by Az3ar; Aug 4, 2005 at 09:26 PM.
Originally Posted by plokivos
now there you go again, putting words in my mouth.
when did i say i was going to goto the track and put c16 to beat your time?
when did i say i was going to goto the track and put c16 to beat your time?
"I think if I actually ran on c16, lean it out with my SAFC, I would run faster than you can at the same track you've ran." from thread https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&highlight=c16
Originally Posted by plokivos
man, what was that thing you told me about how your pro driver driving your car to get that time on pm? I know you didn't want me to mention it, i thought everything was cool and you go crazy with this assumption.
Originally Posted by plokivos
If i wanted to i guess i could get your car to drive your time. which would be the easiest way to prove anything on this useless argument.
Last edited by Warrtalon; Aug 4, 2005 at 09:31 PM.
you're so full of it, it's halarious.anyway, i think if you read that whole thread, you'll see why i said that.
I think we're still having the same argument from that thread.
you say you ran this time with this and that. I said i ran this and that and this.
So i said you put a tbe on, i'll put on 10.5 hotside on my 03 stock evo, and we'll go at it.
if this is like a driver thing you're arguing, i'll take your car, we'll drive at the same track and see who gets the best time?
I have no problem with that.
but if it's a car, well, really can't compare your mod, my mod, etc. you have an mr, i have 03 with 50,000 miles on it.
yeh, i have no problem with me running 12.9 @ 108mph on a dead clutch with no tune. besides right after that run, my clutch started to slip and that's when i got my act. I think that was the day right after we ran aut0-x or was it when I drove an hour /100 miles to see my gf, and just start running at the track with everything in my car, like overnight bag, tool bag, shoes, etc. but I'm not giving you excuse, i'm still happy I'm in 12 sec.
maybe you shouldn't highly doubt anything and maybe you shouldn't go into peoples post looking for help and act like your shlt doesn't stink.
you ran 12.2 on mr with tune and exhaust, mbc at what psi? ok, so?
and you do really avoid all the questions about how the track is like, altitude, etc.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Ask, and ye shall receive...
"I think if I actually ran on c16, lean it out with my SAFC, I would run faster than you can at the same track you've ran." from thread https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&highlight=c16
Uh, what? Now you've resorted to making things up to disparage me? Wow, I'm speechless. Ok, not really, but that was really incredible...
I said, there are 28 psi on alky injection. I said i did mine today at 25psi with safc fuel added on stock pump gas today.
Hah, yeah, kinda like when you ran 12.9 at 108, right? If I wanted to, I guess I could get your car and beat your time by half a second. If you had to self-tune and drive my car, I highly doubt you'd match my times...
"I think if I actually ran on c16, lean it out with my SAFC, I would run faster than you can at the same track you've ran." from thread https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&highlight=c16
Uh, what? Now you've resorted to making things up to disparage me? Wow, I'm speechless. Ok, not really, but that was really incredible...
I said, there are 28 psi on alky injection. I said i did mine today at 25psi with safc fuel added on stock pump gas today.
Hah, yeah, kinda like when you ran 12.9 at 108, right? If I wanted to, I guess I could get your car and beat your time by half a second. If you had to self-tune and drive my car, I highly doubt you'd match my times...
Last edited by plokivos; Aug 4, 2005 at 09:37 PM.
Originally Posted by plokivos
yeh, i have no problem with me running 12.9 @ 108mph on a dead clutch with no tune. besides right after that run, my clutch started to slip and that's when i got my act.
maybe you shouldn't highly doubt anything and maybe you shouldn't go into peoples post looking for help and act like your shlt doesn't stink.
you ran 12.2 on mr with tune and exhaust, mbc at what psi? ok, so?
and you do really avoid all the questions about how the track is like, altitude, etc.
maybe you shouldn't highly doubt anything and maybe you shouldn't go into peoples post looking for help and act like your shlt doesn't stink.
you ran 12.2 on mr with tune and exhaust, mbc at what psi? ok, so?
and you do really avoid all the questions about how the track is like, altitude, etc.
Next, why should I NOT highly doubt you? You talk without action. I act, then talk. Whose post did I go looking into for help? I'm confused.
I ran a 12.2 on my own tune with a cat-back exhaust, yes. My boost was 22-23psi, as I've stated numerous times.
When, where, and what questions have I avoided? I've provided the altitude, temp, and humidity as well as the name of the track and the town in which it's located. What else do you want to know, and how many other things do you want to make up? If you'd like me to repeat, then here you go:
On the day of my 12.2 and 12.4, the conditions were as follows:
500' elevation
80 degrees
60% humidity
can you not read?
you obviously don't get my point and leave all the key elements out.
but it's ok, people like you tend to do that a lot. don't worry, we have people like that down here too.
I'm happy with running weak ET, because I don't much care about drag racing.
But I'm 100% sure that as far as driving department, i could match you. That's why I said I could drive your car and match your time.
Hey, i didn't even have a tune on my car when i ran 12.9. and really that was before I had act. that was the stock clutch time.
I don't have an excuse, that's my time, that's my car, i already said that.
when did i talk without action? are you forgetting you talk with assumption alone. Just read what you wrote on here just now.
I'm not going to go back and waste my time on you, but anyone wants to just go find all his posts and see what he talks about.
hey, i'm about to get my vid tape. Also i have a friend going up there. I'm hoping to take some vid of you running along with buschur and al and them.

you obviously don't get my point and leave all the key elements out.
but it's ok, people like you tend to do that a lot. don't worry, we have people like that down here too.
I'm happy with running weak ET, because I don't much care about drag racing.
But I'm 100% sure that as far as driving department, i could match you. That's why I said I could drive your car and match your time.
Hey, i didn't even have a tune on my car when i ran 12.9. and really that was before I had act. that was the stock clutch time.
I don't have an excuse, that's my time, that's my car, i already said that.
when did i talk without action? are you forgetting you talk with assumption alone. Just read what you wrote on here just now.
I'm not going to go back and waste my time on you, but anyone wants to just go find all his posts and see what he talks about.
hey, i'm about to get my vid tape. Also i have a friend going up there. I'm hoping to take some vid of you running along with buschur and al and them.

Originally Posted by Warrtalon
I don't understand any of your points here. You're happy with running a weak ET, yet you think you can match my driving? Yeah, that makes sense. Hey, on my very last run with the MR, I ran a 12.24 at 110.62. As soon as I packed up my stuff and left the track, my clutch went out. I drove home unable to boost beyond 1psi without slipping, and now I have an ACT, too. No excuse there for your bad ET, sorry.
Next, why should I NOT highly doubt you? You talk without action. I act, then talk. Whose post did I go looking into for help? I'm confused.
I ran a 12.2 on my own tune with a cat-back exhaust, yes. My boost was 22-23psi, as I've stated numerous times.
When, where, and what questions have I avoided? I've provided the altitude, temp, and humidity as well as the name of the track and the town in which it's located. What else do you want to know, and how many other things do you want to make up? If you'd like me to repeat, then here you go:
On the day of my 12.2 and 12.4, the conditions were as follows:
500' elevation
80 degrees
60% humidity
Next, why should I NOT highly doubt you? You talk without action. I act, then talk. Whose post did I go looking into for help? I'm confused.
I ran a 12.2 on my own tune with a cat-back exhaust, yes. My boost was 22-23psi, as I've stated numerous times.
When, where, and what questions have I avoided? I've provided the altitude, temp, and humidity as well as the name of the track and the town in which it's located. What else do you want to know, and how many other things do you want to make up? If you'd like me to repeat, then here you go:
On the day of my 12.2 and 12.4, the conditions were as follows:
500' elevation
80 degrees
60% humidity
Originally Posted by plokivos
I don't have anything to promote. it's there for the owners. It's not like i get paid for doing that or make money off of it.
so, maybe you should take back what you said.
so, maybe you should take back what you said.
Now if you wanna flex your skillz answer my original post.
Originally Posted by plokivos
can you not read?
you obviously don't get my point and leave all the key elements out.
but it's ok, people like you tend to do that a lot. don't worry, we have people like that down here too.
I'm happy with running weak ET, because I don't much care about drag racing.
But I'm 100% sure that as far as driving department, i could match you. That's why I said I could drive your car and match your time.
Hey, i didn't even have a tune on my car when i ran 12.9. and really that was before I had act. that was the stock clutch time.
I don't have an excuse, that's my time, that's my car, i already said that.
when did i talk without action? are you forgetting you talk with assumption alone. Just read what you wrote on here just now.
hey, i'm about to get my vid tape. Also i have a friend going up there. I'm hoping to take some vid of you running along with buschur and al and them.
you obviously don't get my point and leave all the key elements out.
but it's ok, people like you tend to do that a lot. don't worry, we have people like that down here too.
I'm happy with running weak ET, because I don't much care about drag racing.
But I'm 100% sure that as far as driving department, i could match you. That's why I said I could drive your car and match your time.
Hey, i didn't even have a tune on my car when i ran 12.9. and really that was before I had act. that was the stock clutch time.
I don't have an excuse, that's my time, that's my car, i already said that.
when did i talk without action? are you forgetting you talk with assumption alone. Just read what you wrote on here just now.
hey, i'm about to get my vid tape. Also i have a friend going up there. I'm hoping to take some vid of you running along with buschur and al and them.
What does being tuned or untuned have to do with running a weak ET? If you hit 108mph, then tuning is irrelevant. You only run 12.9 on a 108 trap if you don't drive so well. I did all my times on the stock clutch, too, so how again are you supposed to be able to match my driving when you never have displayed any such abilities?
You've talked without action in every post just about. You "think" you can match my driving, when you never have. You "think" you can put in C16 and lean out the S-AFC and "beat" my time, but you haven't. You obviously won't be driving my car, so you need to prove yourself on your own car. You already ran 108mph untuned, so with tuning, you should easily match my mph, which means it all comes down to driving. Since you have an aftermarket clutch, then 12.1s should be no problem if you have equal skill...
Enjoy the vid, but as you will probably ignore any footage of me, since I won't be anywhere near 120mph traps, right?


