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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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Since the shop has the dyno sheet for a 2005 EVO and they just dynoed a 2006, then maybe they can post BOTH on the same sheet and allow us to compare the shape of the curve. I just want to know if they are the same as the one posted from the HKS dyno.
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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So, is the IX using the magnesium compressor wheel?
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 08:45 PM
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According to the HKS page, that IX run was done back in August. How did HKS have a US version IX in August? I'm guess it had to be a pre-production model maybe? Or not a US version?
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 3000ways
Dynos The strip is a great way to measure power, sometimes I think it's even better. With a flash, this car should make approx. 290WHP or more, so trap speeds of 107-108mph should be expected to back up the dyno numbers. That would be awesome if EVO IXs are putting down dyno numbers of 260-270WHP on dynojets, if they are, they should be running 12s out of the box. Only time will tell.


I agree with the strip telling the tale. This dyno doesn't read higher then any other awd dynojet. The numbers are SAE corrected also. I am so confused to be honest. I thought this thread was going to be a "wow the evo9s are putting out good power " but instead it turned into " looks like this dyno is higher then others" . I put down 558 awhp there and trapped just about 130mph in the quarter with a evo that weighs 3200+lbs . Seems about right to me. Furthermore , they simply mentioned that the only stock ( the word stock and evo doesn't go well in ohio) 05 they dyno'd put down 260....doesn't mean if they did another it wouldn't do less and/or if they did a stock 03 it wouldn't do 230-245 like i have saw others do.
I don't know how many times i have saw one car run better then another either on the dyno or at the track (gas quality, air, ecu adjustments, engine health, break in style/periods and heck even if the car was built on a wednesday or a friday (thinking about the weekend theory) can come into play. I really feel , having driven prolly 50 evos from stock to shock in regards to mods, that this evo is the strongest i have felt hands down. When i drove it i honestly compared it closely to the BR330 packages in regards to how much stronger the car felt than stock evo8s.... as i originally said i bet this car would/could do 105mph in the quarter stock (compared to a stock evo8 doing it in about 99-100mph) , i think BR330s are good for 107mph ish ( a very impressive feat ) i just feel that the mivec and turbo made the evo9 stronger (or maybe the owner got lucky on this evo) .
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by evodave
When i drove it i honestly compared it closely to the BR330 packages in regards to how much stronger the car felt than stock evo8s.... as i originally said i bet this car would/could do 105mph in the quarter stock (compared to a stock evo8 doing it in about 99-100mph) , i think BR330s are good for 107mph ish ( a very impressive feat ) i just feel that the mivec and turbo made the evo9 stronger (or maybe the owner got lucky on this evo) .
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That's the thing, Dave, you just aren't really in touch with how much better the 05s were than the 03/04s out of the box in stock form. 05s have been trapping 104-105 for a year now, but they only dyno 235-245 on Dynojets. For this IX to dyno 275/265, that would mean it could trap 107-108. Using my car as an example, I ran 12.6 at 107+ when dyno'ing 282/259 on a Dynojet (05 w/cat-back/mbc/safc). Yes, this would mean the stock IX is as powerful as a BR330 (the 330 is crank, not wheel). If that's the case, then great...it would mean Mitsu severely underrated the IX power output at the crank even moreso than the 05s. Since other dynos of the IX didn't show such a drastic increase in power, it has made us skeptical.
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 09:26 PM
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OK, hopefully this will put some things in perspective as far as dyno readings and comparisons go. Here are the power mods I have on my car:

BR full 3" TBE w/ test pipe
RMR intake w/K+N cone filter
RMR lower IC pipe
SPI upper IC pipe
Hallman MBC @20psi spike, falling to ~18 psi
AEM EMS running MAP, tuned by Payne Technologies
Walbro 255
HKS 280 cams
Stock IC, stock '04 turbo, stock intake and exhaust manifolds
Running plain 93 octane

On Payne's Mustang Dyno my car put down 266WHP, 255TQ.

On Switzer's Dynojet Dyno my car put down 300WHP, 278TQ.

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After Tym worked his magic and retuned my EMS it put down 335WHP, 312TQ.

After thowing in some C-16 and Tym retuning it again at 25psi it made 381WHP, 362TQ.

All of these numbers were at 80-87 degrees on a fairly humid day.

So with all the work I have done and a properly tuned EMS my car is only making 60 more WHP than the stock EVO 9. I think that this is a testament to Mitsubishi's dedication to building the most bad-a$$ cars around, at a reasonable price. The technology and engineering they put into the EVO is second to none. Makes me think about putting my car back to stock and starting fresh with a 9.

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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 09:30 PM
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That's the thing, Dave, you just aren't really in touch with how much better the 05s were than the 03/04s out of the box in stock form. 05s have been trapping 104-105 for a year now, but they only dyno 235-245 on Dynojets. For this IX to dyno 275/265, that would mean it could trap 107-108. Using my car as an example, I ran 12.6 at 107+ when dyno'ing 282/259 on a Dynojet (05 w/cat-back/mbc/safc). Yes, this would mean the stock IX is as powerful as a BR330 (the 330 is crank, not wheel). If that's the case, then great...it would mean Mitsu severely underrated the IX power output at the crank even moreso than the 05s. Since other dynos of the IX didn't show such a drastic increase in power, it has made us skeptical.

where are all the 06 dyno sheets? Also, i am very "in touch" with the 05s since i have been selling them new for a long time now...additionally ALL the BR330 and BR350 packages i have sold have been on 05s only... and a be that as it may a BR330 (which is a huge improvement over stock) does the quarter in 107mph so i don't know of any (except some magazine ringer cars that are way better then factory delivered cars) that do anywhere near 105mph ...i am sure there are a few out there that trapped there or almost there but as i said i think this car is 30whp more then a factor evo8 and is underrated (not saying all evo9s will be this strong....just this one)
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 09:39 PM
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Evo IXs suck.
MIVEC doesn't do crap.
dynos suck.
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I need to visit SPI again... I need to see some "super inflated SAE uncorrected, smoothing: 500, 50deg run condition" dyno sheet for my current mods. hehe...
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by evodave
where are all the 06 dyno sheets? Also, i am very "in touch" with the 05s since i have been selling them new for a long time now...additionally ALL the BR330 and BR350 packages i have sold have been on 05s only... and a be that as it may a BR330 (which is a huge improvement over stock) does the quarter in 107mph so i don't know of any (except some magazine ringer cars that are way better then factory delivered cars) that do anywhere near 105mph ...i am sure there are a few out there that trapped there or almost there but as i said i think this car is 30whp more then a factor evo8 and is underrated (not saying all evo9s will be this strong....just this one)
Oh, well when you said that stock Evos usually trap 99-100, I thought it was because you were only familiar with 03-04s, because it's a well-known fact that 05s trap 104-105. We've been saying this in the drag racing forum for the whole year. My very first run was a 13.17 at 103.89. I then went 106.3 after tossing on my S-AFC and tuning it a bit. Several on the board have gone 13.0 at 105. This still requires good driving, but these times were also done in the spring/summer, so it wasn't just a matter of having super-low temps.

Anyway, 05s can run 104-105 all day long...not just a few ringers. Not every individual can pull those mphs, but the cars themselves usually can. My 05 MR dyno'd 248 stock. This indicates more than 276 to the crank, but that's a separate issue. If you add 30whp to my dyno as if I had the BR330 package, you could then add 3mph to my trap and get right around 107, so it all seems to add up. The question is whether or not stock IXs are going to be as powerful as an 05 BR330. The SPI dyno of the IX would indicate such...
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 09:53 PM
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those are some great stock #'s!!!
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Oh, well when you said that stock Evos usually trap 99-100, I thought it was because you were only familiar with 03-04s, because it's a well-known fact that 05s trap 104-105. We've been saying this in the drag racing forum for the whole year. My very first run was a 13.17 at 103.89. I then went 106.3 after tossing on my S-AFC and tuning it a bit. Several on the board have gone 13.0 at 105. This still requires good driving, but these times were also done in the spring/summer, so it wasn't just a matter of having super-low temps.

Anyway, 05s can run 104-105 all day long...not just a few ringers. Not every individual can pull those mphs, but the cars themselves usually can. My 05 MR dyno'd 248 stock. This indicates more than 276 to the crank, but that's a separate issue. If you add 30whp to my dyno as if I had the BR330 package, you could then add 3mph to my trap and get right around 107, so it all seems to add up. The question is whether or not stock IXs are going to be as powerful as an 05 BR330. The SPI dyno of the IX would indicate such...


I bet then that most evo9s will be in between a stock '05 and a BR330 '05 if what you are telling me is true....thing is that a BR330 should do more then just 2mph more then a stock evo as i know they do around 107ish mph...i just don't see stockers doing that or even near that around here.....maybe a MR ...who knows.
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 10:51 PM
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It must be Evo IX week in Ohio for sure - I was at buschur's shop today and saw not just one but TWO IX's being delivered and modified

I really like the Evo IX and I think it holds a lot of promise for high power potential

Its a nice evolution
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
It must be Evo IX week in Ohio for sure - I was at buschur's shop today and saw not just one but TWO IX's being delivered and modified

I really like the Evo IX and I think it holds a lot of promise for high power potential

Its a nice evolution


Yeah....that blue one at buschurs was also one i sold....to a good customer of Daves for many many years (Edward). The other one was sold by another salesman at the dealership. I sold the black one that is at switzers now getting modded. I amazingly still have a silver MR available at sticker. You tuner have to be so happy they left them so modifiable (if thats a word).
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 03:29 AM
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Well I'm looking forward to seeing what a TBE & a Flash does to this car

C'mon SPI - let's have it
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 07:05 AM
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5 pages of bull**** about dynos. This isnt about how the IX makes more power than the VIII this is about showing gains from adding one part to the next. The damn thing could put down 500whp as a baseline, who fawking cares, compare the IX and the VIII in another thread.
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