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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 07:52 AM
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to add to this craziness on the dyno thing with the power of this particular car both the evo9s at buschur made 209-211awhp on their dyno...not really sure. This car must be a "ringer" haha.
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 07:57 AM
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to add to this craziness on the dyno thing with the power of this particular car both the evo9s at buschur made 209-211awhp on their dyno...not really sure. This car must be a "ringer" haha.

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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by fsugatorbait
5 pages of bull**** about dynos. This isnt about how the IX makes more power than the VIII this is about showing gains from adding one part to the next. The damn thing could put down 500whp as a baseline, who fawking cares, compare the IX and the VIII in another thread.
I am so glad to see that there are some people out in the EVO world that can understand this thread and its purpose. We were not trying to claim that IX was better than the VIII.....this was simply a baseline number to go off of.
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 08:06 AM
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I'm surprized no one has mentioned anything about the MIVEC engine's more aggressive intake cam (or was it exhaust cam)

sure thats bad *** an all. but what happens when you go to upgrade and get performance cam's? Would the car only net around 15whp in gains since it already has a more aggresive cam setup? Or could you expect a rough 30whp like you can on the 05 Evo 8's?
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ERIC@SPI
I am so glad to see that there are some people out in the EVO world that can understand this thread and its purpose. We were not trying to claim that IX was better than the VIII.....this was simply a baseline number to go off of.
Oh yeah - and we're waiting for the next installment
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ERIC@SPI
I am so glad to see that there are some people out in the EVO world that can understand this thread and its purpose. We were not trying to claim that IX was better than the VIII.....this was simply a baseline number to go off of.
Eric, look, we know what the purpose was. We just didn't expect a baseline number that was so much higher than anything else anyone has ever seen for a stock Evo. The fact that you had an 05 do 260, which is also the highest I've ever heard of helps to mitigate the surprise. We know it was a baseline that is going to be used for measuring gains with mods, and we also know you guys aren't here to boast about high numbers, but I can assure you that as your testing goes forward, if the numbers are consistently 20-30whp higher than what people usually see on 05s, then there will be a lot of controversy, because most people won't bother to read that the baseline number wasn't normal or legit or whatever. They will just go around the world screaming, "OMG THE EVO IX DYNO'D 330WHP WITH JUST TBE AND A FLASH!!!" That's all we're worried about...I have no doubts about you and your shop's credibility.
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 08:34 AM
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come on guys, lol we all know the true monster here... We all own viii's and as much as we want the IX to kick ***, it is internally damaging to all of a sudden feel that your vehicle is obsolete. It's human nature... I don't doubt the numbers, but it does make me a little upset to know all of my mods and hours spent equal only about 5hp more then a stock IX. \
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 08:39 AM
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that looks to be sweet. if this pans out like this i will be going to my dealer to trade in immediately. i am already on the fringe and this would push me way over. thanks to SPI for dealing with us morons and putting down and posting numbers despite the flamage. keep them coming we want to see how the IX handles are common mods.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 10:20 PM
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Guys, come on. We are all jealous because it seems that this IX is more powerful and has more power potential. The fact is, cars get superceded. Computer CPUs get superceded. TVs get superceded. It's all a part of Moore's law.

Having said that, we can all go as fast as we want to given any EVO year model. Every EVO isn't going to be the same when it comes down to the customer, his money, and the amount of mods he puts on his car. Having said that, if you want your EVO to go fast, you can do it.

I sure as hell won't get $7-$8k back into debt just to get back where I started for 30whp. I plan on getting the 2.3L stroker and the GT35 after I pay off the car and make it a track car.. so.. what difference does it make? The car will haul *** regardless..not every IX will have those mods.. so take pride in your VIIIs!! At least we have an EVO!!

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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NOLIMITMOTORS
wait a sec, thats the baseline numbers??? or after the flash???
No thats a DynoJet
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 11:03 PM
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I'm surprized no one has mentioned anything about the MIVEC engine's more aggressive intake cam (or was it exhaust cam)

sure thats bad *** an all. but what happens when you go to upgrade and get performance cam's? Would the car only net around 15whp in gains since it already has a more aggresive cam setup? Or could you expect a rough 30whp like you can on the 05 Evo 8's?
You have the wrong idea on what the MIVEC on the IX does. As far as I know the cam profile itself is probably the same. The MIVEC on the EVO does not have separate cam profiles like it does the Ralliart Lancer. There is no "lift" on the EVO MIVEC only variable cam timing. If you're not sure what that is, simply put, imagine your car with adjustable cam gears. Adjusting the gears allows you to maximize low, mid, or top end performance, but the down side is that you can only set it at one position. A continously variable cam gear desing like the MIVEC allows for optimal cam timing at all rpms, increasing effieciency and performance. I would expect the same type of gains by adding cams, unless the stock ecu controlling the MIVEC turns up being picky about it.

All in all, it's about damn time they upgraded the 4g63 with something most Jap companies already had here in the US for a long time ie VVT, or the I in IVTEC. Hopefully the 10 will incorporate "lift" as well... wouldn't it would be nice to have a stock 8K redline

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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BOOSTEZ
Guys, come on. We are all jealous because it seems that this IX is more powerful and has more power potential. The fact is, cars get superceded. Computer CPUs get superceded. TVs get superceded. It's all a part of Moore's law.

Having said that, we can all go as fast as we want to given any EVO year model. Every EVO isn't going to be the same when it comes down to the customer, his money, and the amount of mods he puts on his car. Having said that, if you want your EVO to go fast, you can do it.

I sure as hell won't get $7-$8k back into debt just to get back where I started for 30whp. I plan on getting the 2.3L stroker and the GT35 after I pay off the car and make it a track car.. so.. what difference does it make? The car will haul *** regardless..not every IX will have those mods.. so take pride in your VIIIs!! At least we have an EVO!!

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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 06:28 AM
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For more info on cam timing...

VANOS is a combined hydraulic and mechanical camshaft control device managed by the car's DME engine management system.

The VANOS system is based on an adjustment mechanism that can modify the position of the intake camshaft versus the crankshaft. Double-VANOS adds an adjustment of the intake and outlet camshafts.

VANOS operates on the intake camshaft in accordance with engine speed and accelerator pedal position. At the lower end of the engine-speed scale, the intake valves are opened later, which improves idling quality and smoothness. At moderate engine speeds, the intake valves open much earlier, which boosts torque and permits exhaust gas re-circulation inside the combustion chambers, reducing fuel consumption and exhaust emissions. Finally, at high engine speeds, intake valve opening is once again delayed, so that full power can be developed.

VANOS significantly enhances emission management, increases output and torque, and offers better idling quality and fuel economy. The latest version of VANOS is double-VANOS, used in the new M3.

VANOS was first introduced in 1992 on the BMW M50 engine used in the 5 Series.



Here's how it works:

In overhead cam engines, the cams are connected to the crankshaft by either a belt or chain and gears. In BMW VANOS motors there is a chain and some sprockets.

The crankshaft drives a sprocket on the exhaust cam, and the exhaust cam sprocket is bolted to the exhaust cam. A second set of teeth moves a second chain that goes across to the intake cam. The big sprocket on the intake cam is not bolted to the cam, for it has a big hole in the middle. Inside the hole is a helical set of teeth. On the end of the cam is a gear that is also helical on the outside, but it's too small to connect to the teeth on the inside of the big sprocket. There is a little cup of metal with helical teeth to match the cam on the inside and to match the sprocket on the outside. The V (Variable) in VANOS is due to the helical nature of the teeth. The cup gear is moved by a hydraulic mechanism that works on oil pressure controlled by the DME.

At idle, the cam timing is retarded. Just off idle, the DME energizes a solenoid which allows oil pressure to move that cup gear to advance the cam 12.5 degrees at midrange, and then at about 5000 rpm, it allows it to come back to the original position. The greater advance causes better cylinder fill at mid rpms for better torque. The noise some people hear is the result of tolerances that make the sprocket wiggle a bit as the cup gear is moved in or out.

Double VANOS


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Double-VANOS (double-variable camshaft control) significantly improves torque since valve timing on both the intake and outlet camshafts are adjusted to the power required from the engine as a function of gas pedal position and engine speed.



On most BMW engines that use a single VANOS, the timing of the intake cam is only changed at two distinct rpm points, while on the double-VANOS system, the timing of the intake and exhaust cams are continuously variable throughout the majority of the rpm range.

With double-VANOS, the opening period of the intake valves are extended by 12 degrees with an increase in valve lift by 0.9 mm.

Double-VANOS requires very high oil pressure in order to adjust the camshafts very quickly and accurately, ensuring better torque at low engine speeds and better power at high speeds. With the amount of un-burnt residual gases being reduced, engine idle is improved. Special engine management control maps for the warm-up phase help the catalytic converter reach operating temperature sooner.

Double-VANOS improves low rpm power, flattens the torque curve, and widens the powerband for a given set of camshafts. The double-VANOS engine has a 450 rpm lower torque peak and a 200 rpm higher horsepower peak than single-VANOS, and the torque curve is improved between 1500 - 3800 rpm. At the same time, the torque does not fall off as fast past the horsepower peak.

The advantage of double-VANOS is that the system controls the flow of hot exhaust gases into the intake manifold individually for all operating conditions. This is referred to as "internal" exhaust gas re-circulation, allowing very fine dosage of the amount of exhaust gas recycled.

While the engine is warming up, VANOS improves the fuel/air mixture and helps to quickly warm up the catalytic converter to its normal operating temperature. When the engine is idling, the system keeps idle speeds smooth and consistent thanks to the reduction of exhaust gas re-circulation to a minimum. Under part load, exhaust gas re-circulation is increased to a much higher level, allowing the engine to run on a wider opening angle of the throttle butterfly in the interest of greater fuel economy. Under full load, the system switches back to a low re-circulation volume providing the cylinders with as much oxygen as possible.
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 09:10 AM
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that doesn't exactly relate to mivec at all, considering mivec does not change lift or duration at all, only timing, also, nothing is happening to the exhaust cam in mivec.
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