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EVO 8 vs Zo6, who would win in an autocross?

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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 07:51 AM
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Go look at the top times in each class and you'll see the Z06 spanks a EVO.
Evo > Z06
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 07:54 AM
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The Z06 (C5 of course) is a much faster car out of the box. It's also classed in SS where the Evo is in AS. A SS prepped Z06 will destroy an AS prepped Evo. As stated above, a more equal battle is BSP/SM Evo vs. Z06. This obviously assumes similar driver ability. Also, you cannot take one data point such as a local autox and assume one car is better than the other. Driver abilities and prep levels are unknowns.

They are, of course, very fun cars in their own rights.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Stew
COMPLETELY depends on the driver. My last auto-x race I edged out a Z06 with full exhaust, 305 radials, 4 point harness setup, etc.

Check the results HERE. My name is at the top ..spelled wrong of course

..my only mod was a TBE for this event, so I ran A Stock.

.8 behind FTD
A TBE is not allowed in AS.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:11 AM
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EVOs in the street prepared category will be in BSP from ESP next year.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:14 AM
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A TBE is not allowed in AS.
That was my initial thought, but they do have a bit of a problem with classing cars correctly in our region sometimes. I told them "05 Evo with a turbo back exhaust" and she said "A-Stock". I didnt think slicks (the vette) were allowed in A-Stock either, but thats where they put him. They also used to make me run in DSP with the R32, even though its a 6 cyl with > 3.0L motor, which should be ESP. They were more concerned with fun for the last event of the season though apparently..
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:18 AM
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90% of the time the z06 wins.....look at it this way, atuox is a total different sport than road racing, there are so many more lateral G changes. this meaning anyone that has a RWD with a lower center of gravity would have a edge. I have seen it over and over the Z06 powering out of corners that Evo's push through. In the End i love my car and with the Right suspension setup i would hold my own against a Z06, but i think if i was driving the Z06 i would get around the course faster

Edit* not to mention the Z06 has SOOO much more low end grunt....
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:37 AM
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Haha that is the evidence I was looking for to win my argument with someone...but dam a zo6 > evo...I know I seen this one video before evo starting last..racing 3 nsx's 1 s2000 1 acura integra, 1 rx7, and 1 more car forgot what kind..., but evo started last and still came in 2nd behind nsx..

Well forget auto cross which car would handle better period..no straights, no 1/4 quarter miles, just handling in general..
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:45 AM
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Well forget auto cross which car would handle better period..no straights, no 1/4 quarter miles, just handling in general..
Well if you just look at Skidpad results, I believe the Z06 comes in around .99g, where the Evo is a measly .95g
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:49 AM
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Autocross is pretty general. Some autocross courses are a bunch of tight turns stringed together with no straights. In those cases a Miata will out run a Evo all day long. Then there are those high speed autocross courses where horsepower actually matters...

This is a stupid question as it depends on way too many factors to make a call - driver, car, course maybe even time of year.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:51 AM
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Having owned and tracked/auto-Xed both any evo and z06 I can tell you that the vette is faster and handles better. The ability to throttle streerthe car is big advantage on an auto-x course, which is why its common to see evo's get the dirty _____ when competing in the stock class against S2000 etc. The evo is its own worst enemy when auto-Xing, with a front bias 4wd system and god awful weight distro it will understeer whenever pushed hard in to a corner is stock form. With a bigger sway bar in the rear and a oneway diff up front you'll gain back alot of the time you lose to the RWD car pre-apex and mid-corner.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:54 AM
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Yes i do.. I'll have to research it for you. We had them posted on our DSM forums but someone hacked the site and it no longer works anymore


EDIT: Here is the link. I'm 2nd in my stock Evo VIII and the Z06 is 11th. Conditions were dry and sunny. About 70 degrees or so? Now that i look, i guess it was a little less than 9 sec... He must have done another after i left for the day? AUTOX results

EDIT: Just so everyone knows. The only reason i think i beat him is because of all the turns and his loss of traction. If we did a little straight line racing or even an AUTOX like you "down south" people have with lots of areas for wide open throttle, i'm sure he would have handed me my hat.
Driver plays a HUGE roll. My buddy has a Z06 and he lost to a MazdaSpeed Protege at our local autox. Does that mean the Z06 < MS Protege? It's pretty hard to judge a car by autox times because the vast majority of drivers out there are terrible. Hell, my first autox I rented a Sunfire (auto) and nearly beat a 300zx TT.

Make no mistake, the Z06 is a superior car to the EVO VIII or IX for that matter. The AWD makes the EVO a bit easier to drive but a well driven Z06 will smoke the EVO. Even a well driven C5 will smoke the EVO.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:55 AM
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Stock for stock, nope.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ZK
Autocross is pretty general. Some autocross courses are a bunch of tight turns stringed together with no straights. In those cases a Miata will out run a Evo all day long. Then there are those high speed autocross courses where horsepower actually matters...

This is a stupid question as it depends on way too many factors to make a call - driver, car, course maybe even time of year.


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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 09:06 AM
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STREET EVO VS RACE READY Z06

I have a buddy who has the above shown Z06. His car is corner wieghted, with aggressive alignment, Carbotech XP9 pads, and Hoosier R compounds I think they are 315's. He is also an instructor. His stock Z06 ran a 12.6@116.

My EVO is basically right out of the box with XEDE and TBE. My modded EVO ran a 12.8@108.


I would have to say given a good driver the Z06 will almost always take an EVO on dry pavement. This is especially true on higher speed tracks. In the video you can see his ability to oversteer through corners and the pure raw HP/torque definately put my 4 banger to shame. It would be interesting to see this race again once I have 255 R compounds, an alignment, and Carbotechs.

After this race, we switched cars for a few laps..... I could barely drive the vette...you rarely get to just stomp the throttle and go. Everything felt better except for control when hard on the throttle. There is an arseload more power under the hood and it takes time to hone those skills. The EVO is a pretty darn easy car to drive.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 09:14 AM
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Just amazing!! I have two magazines in which the tested the 405hp z06 vs a M3 and Porsche Carrera in willow springs.

Then I have a nother magazine which they tested the EVO MR and the STI at Willow springs

My point is that the Evo MR did the Willow Springs time more than two seconds ahead on the Z06(405HP), that means that the combination of body roll,weight distribution,braking,aceleration and overall handling was SIMPLY SUPERIOR to a competitor(z06 405hp vette) that:

1) has more power
2)weights less
3) is wider
4) has wider tires
5)has more torque
6)has a better weight distribution

Probably it you give me a choice of a 03 Evo and a 405hp vette mostlikely I would take the z06 vette but less not subestimate a EVO here.
The Evo is more than one foot taller, it weights much more,it has far less HP and still puts a heck of a fight.

Despite what I say about the EVO did the track time 2 sec ahead of the vette I am inclined to say that probably the Z06 would have the advantage and consequently there is more chance that the Vette could win by marginal and Not significant lead.

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