Slightly off topic, but I can make my EVO understeer or oversteer at will I've had more than a few people ask me how I get it to oversteer and the answer is tire pressure, driving style, and the LSD.

 

Z06

 

That's actually not entirely true. That day I had Hoosier S04 245/40R17 on the rear ad Hoosier S03 225/45R17 on the front. It was actually quite a fun setup until I corded the fronts at around noon. The car was very neutral.

 

Noted. Next season we'll get our chance to slice and dice.

 

wow, i didn't know that, can you go into detail

 

Ok, let me try to explain this again. On an auto-x course a stock evo is going to get murdered by a stock S2K due to the fact that it's a light weight RWD car with only 25 or 30 less hp and easy to adjust mid corner via your right foot. The Evo is a heavy 4WD (w/a front bias) car with an f'ed up 60/40 weight distro that’s has a turbo (aka turbo lag). Think about that for a few seconds........................................... .................................................. ..................................... Read on. Now if you have ever auto-xed an Evo you know that when pushed it understeers, which means you have to back off the throttle to get back on the racing line. I know everybody’s thinking you'll get back the lost time at the corner exit because you have 4WD, then bam TURBO LAG. This can be avoided with left foot braking, but unless you grew up go-karting or have a few years of racing (not trackdays) under your belt you suck at it . 4WD is another problem, without a one-way diff up front you never have the anywhere close to the corner entry speed of the S2K because the engine braking is fking with the traction of your front wheels (think traction circle).
Think about it .................................................. .......................................continue. Now unlike the Evo the S2K doesn’t mask your inabilities as a driver and is hard to drive at the limit, but it's extremely maneuverable and doesn’t have much of an understeer problem. The lack of turbo lag and instant throttle response is just icing on the cake. Auto-x courses are generally small with few if any corners below 90 degrees and speeds that top out at 60 mph. So end the Evo's is going to get laid the pipe.

I'm only talking about auto-xing here; the track is a whole new ball game .

 

Let me explain this to you......STOCK SUCKS HAIRY NUT SACKS

Alignment, Sway Bar, More Power, -----> death to S2K

I'm done with this thead....If you want to talk about RICE feel free to email me:

JEFFJESKE@JEFFJESKE.COM

We've already answered this fellas question and the answer is ZO6

 

Maybe you CA folks think those S2K's are so great because its sunshine and 70 degrees everyday. But move to a state where every other autocross is either wet or cold and you'll think twice about getting one of them there two seaters.

Not all autocrosses are low speed with tight turns. Most of them around here easily reach 70MPH and since most are organized by high end car clubs they are aimed at higher HP cars. Personally I see no fun in driving a high HP car in a 1 acre parking lot with a bunch of tight turns. That sounds too much like looking for a parking spot at the mall.

In the end I think the layout of the course is going to determine who wins or loses. The EVO crew could design an autocross to spank everying and the honda kiddies could make some tight and narrow course. Who cares! I would never be caught dead in a Honda.

If I wanted to drive tight little courses I'd just build a gixxer kart.

ANSWER = Z06

 

i'm glad we're comparing stock to stock. this is so stupid... mainly because stupid people are making it really really stupid. it's really a wonder how a first world country like this can have about as many educated critical thinkers as the continent of africa which with all it's countries put together don't amount of one first world state. this stupid thread has become such a damn stupid pissing idiocy contest, mother****ers pissing their idiocy all over the damn forum that i'm glad it's not in motorsports and it's in general bs where it belongs.

 

The turdpusher that brought the S2000 into this is the one that should be shot.

Oh yea your post was very beneficial to the cause thanks!

 

what about the open track challenge results from last year when all the z06s got their asses handed to them by an evo.. not saying that given a pro driver the z06 doesnt have alot more potential.. but who here is willing to bet they are a good enough driver to actually take advatange of the z06.. which doesnt inspire confidence like the evo. The evo communicates better, thus making the average driver better.

 

i take it you've never autox'ed an S2K before. i have..tons of times with my '01. the "instant throttle response" is great IF..and it's a big IF...you keep the rpms above the switchover for the VTEC cams. if not, turbo lag will seem like a walk in the park. it's basically the same situation as trying to keep the evo on boost.

 

I know there are many people who didn't some of which posted in this very thread. How does your statement have any type of meaningful contribution? It is nothing but a waste of space. Read this Zero Tolerance Policy and make note of the "off topic useless comments" portion. Posts like yours are one of the reasons EvoM has gone downhill.

 

Every single "VS" thread in every single car forum I read end up turning into this stereotypical thread.

I really should think twice about clicking on them. anyways.

I auto-x here in Reno. I love watching vettes throttle steer through the apex while the STi's and EVO's sans swaybars push like bricks until the drivers unload the steering wheels, and lift a bit.

 

I guess I may have asked the question wrong because I never been to an autocross event and I thought it was all about handling but I figure there are too many variables to place int that question also..

Maybe I should have said what would handle better stock for stock?