Max horsepower on 91 oct(bolt ons only)
Mar 2, 2006, 04:51 PM
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Why The Hell Are You Spending 3k On A Transmission? Have You Ever Heard Of Shepard Racing?? If Not, Go To Shepracing.com. You Can Upgrade Your Trans For $850 And The Transfer Case For $350. That Is The Same Setup Ams Uses In Their Shop Car.
You Don't Need A Racing Trans With That Horsepower Level. If In Doubt Ask Me.
Im On Pump Gas, Methanol, And The Following Mods Below.
You Don't Need A Racing Trans With That Horsepower Level. If In Doubt Ask Me.
Im On Pump Gas, Methanol, And The Following Mods Below.
Mar 2, 2006, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Not even with water injection? I'm sure you can get quite close on a IX with all the bolt-ons, if not all the way to 400...
Mar 2, 2006, 04:59 PM
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I made 350whp on 91 octane with a ****ton of bolton's including AEM EMS tuned by Scot Gray, using stock turbo with 10.5 housing. It's hard to make anything past 410-420whp even with a GT35R, 91 sucks really bad.
Mar 2, 2006, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by IE Evo
LOL! Warrtalon u are wrong. GT 35 rs struggle with 2.3s on our gas to obtain them numbers.
We are talking about a stock turbo here that is using water injection to allow it to run more aggressive boost than normal on 91oct, which will put it in the sweet spot. No, not as much boost as alky, but still more than straight 91oct. So, if stock turbo'd 05s can put down 350whp on 91oct, then why would an 06 not be able to put down another 20-30whp like they are doing all over the country? Hell, they're doing upwards of 40-50whp more with the same mods as 05s and that's without any fuel or cooling aids. Add the WI on top of it, and I still think it's possible to get near 400whp with all the bolt-ons, including cams. Remember, this was a hypothetical guess based on when cams are actually available en masse, but the point still remains...
Yes, razorlab, it's all ricer math until someone does it, but this is my guess after seeing people do 355whp on 93oct with tbe/mbc/flash with IXs...
Mar 2, 2006, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
GT35s can't run much boost on 91, and they don't make much power without a lot of boost.
We are talking about a stock turbo here that is using water injection to allow it to run more aggressive boost than normal on 91oct, which will put it in the sweet spot. No, not as much boost as alky, but still more than straight 91oct. So, if stock turbo'd 05s can put down 350whp on 91oct, then why would an 06 not be able to put down another 20-30whp like they are doing all over the country? Hell, they're doing upwards of 40-50whp more with the same mods as 05s and that's without any fuel or cooling aids. Add the WI on top of it, and I still think it's possible to get near 400whp with all the bolt-ons, including cams. Remember, this was a hypothetical guess based on when cams are actually available en masse, but the point still remains...
Yes, razorlab, it's all ricer math until someone does it, but this is my guess after seeing people do 355whp on 93oct with tbe/mbc/flash with IXs...
We are talking about a stock turbo here that is using water injection to allow it to run more aggressive boost than normal on 91oct, which will put it in the sweet spot. No, not as much boost as alky, but still more than straight 91oct. So, if stock turbo'd 05s can put down 350whp on 91oct, then why would an 06 not be able to put down another 20-30whp like they are doing all over the country? Hell, they're doing upwards of 40-50whp more with the same mods as 05s and that's without any fuel or cooling aids. Add the WI on top of it, and I still think it's possible to get near 400whp with all the bolt-ons, including cams. Remember, this was a hypothetical guess based on when cams are actually available en masse, but the point still remains...
Yes, razorlab, it's all ricer math until someone does it, but this is my guess after seeing people do 355whp on 93oct with tbe/mbc/flash with IXs...
Mar 3, 2006, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
GT35s can't run much boost on 91, and they don't make much power without a lot of boost.
We are talking about a stock turbo here that is using water injection to allow it to run more aggressive boost than normal on 91oct, which will put it in the sweet spot. No, not as much boost as alky, but still more than straight 91oct. So, if stock turbo'd 05s can put down 350whp on 91oct, then why would an 06 not be able to put down another 20-30whp like they are doing all over the country? Hell, they're doing upwards of 40-50whp more with the same mods as 05s and that's without any fuel or cooling aids. Add the WI on top of it, and I still think it's possible to get near 400whp with all the bolt-ons, including cams. Remember, this was a hypothetical guess based on when cams are actually available en masse, but the point still remains...
Yes, razorlab, it's all ricer math until someone does it, but this is my guess after seeing people do 355whp on 93oct with tbe/mbc/flash with IXs...
We are talking about a stock turbo here that is using water injection to allow it to run more aggressive boost than normal on 91oct, which will put it in the sweet spot. No, not as much boost as alky, but still more than straight 91oct. So, if stock turbo'd 05s can put down 350whp on 91oct, then why would an 06 not be able to put down another 20-30whp like they are doing all over the country? Hell, they're doing upwards of 40-50whp more with the same mods as 05s and that's without any fuel or cooling aids. Add the WI on top of it, and I still think it's possible to get near 400whp with all the bolt-ons, including cams. Remember, this was a hypothetical guess based on when cams are actually available en masse, but the point still remains...
Yes, razorlab, it's all ricer math until someone does it, but this is my guess after seeing people do 355whp on 93oct with tbe/mbc/flash with IXs...
Mar 3, 2006, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
And what do they do on 91 octane with those mods?
IE, you keep forgetting we're talking about IXs. You have to let go of what the VIIIs did and start thinking in terms of IXs. I was not basing predictions off one car either. The TT IX that hit 11.9 @ 116mph only had tbe/mbc/flash. Then, the Dynoflash car dynoed 355/355 just yesterday. That's 2 separate IXs on different dynos with different tuners, but the same mods. It's becoming more the norm than the exception, much to my chagrin.
Sloevo, you have a 2.4 and god knows what else. Typically, GT35s have trouble making that much power on only 24psi with 91oct and no alky...
Mar 3, 2006, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
I don't know; they don't have 93oct in those parts of the country. Shiv claims to make tons of power on 91oct on his DD, though, so I wouldn't expect those numbers to be too far off. Plus, whatever it is on 91oct, add all the extra bolt-ons (cams, mani, o2, licp, fmic) plus the WI and you're again sneaking up on 400. May not get 40X whp, but I'm thinking it will get close.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
IE, you keep forgetting we're talking about IXs. You have to let go of what the VIIIs did and start thinking in terms of IXs. I was not basing predictions off one car either. The TT IX that hit 11.9 @ 116mph only had tbe/mbc/flash. Then, the Dynoflash car dynoed 355/355 just yesterday. That's 2 separate IXs on different dynos with different tuners, but the same mods. It's becoming more the norm than the exception, much to my chagrin.
Clayton, please keep in mind that when I say ricer math, I am not directing that as a dig on you, it's just a statement. Bench racing / guessing with data points outside of California is worthless, all of us Californians learned this a long long time ago.
Why do I keep bringing up California? The original poster lives in Sacramento, CA.
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Mar 3, 2006, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
I don't know; they don't have 93oct in those parts of the country. Shiv claims to make tons of power on 91oct on his DD, though, so I wouldn't expect those numbers to be too far off. Plus, whatever it is on 91oct, add all the extra bolt-ons (cams, mani, o2, licp, fmic) plus the WI and you're again sneaking up on 400. May not get 40X whp, but I'm thinking it will get close.
IE, you keep forgetting we're talking about IXs. You have to let go of what the VIIIs did and start thinking in terms of IXs. I was not basing predictions off one car either. The TT IX that hit 11.9 @ 116mph only had tbe/mbc/flash. Then, the Dynoflash car dynoed 355/355 just yesterday. That's 2 separate IXs on different dynos with different tuners, but the same mods. It's becoming more the norm than the exception, much to my chagrin.
Sloevo, you have a 2.4 and god knows what else. Typically, GT35s have trouble making that much power on only 24psi with 91oct and no alky...
IE, you keep forgetting we're talking about IXs. You have to let go of what the VIIIs did and start thinking in terms of IXs. I was not basing predictions off one car either. The TT IX that hit 11.9 @ 116mph only had tbe/mbc/flash. Then, the Dynoflash car dynoed 355/355 just yesterday. That's 2 separate IXs on different dynos with different tuners, but the same mods. It's becoming more the norm than the exception, much to my chagrin.
Sloevo, you have a 2.4 and god knows what else. Typically, GT35s have trouble making that much power on only 24psi with 91oct and no alky...
Yeah Jimmy I agree with Warr concerning ur car. It is in the over the top category.
Warr, maybe with a crazy AEM tune in the unsafe to drive regularly mode will 400 whp be reached on 91 oct. If I am wrong (i hope i am) I will go get a IX ASAP.
Mar 3, 2006, 12:46 AM
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[QUOTE=Warrtalon]country. Shiv claims to make tons of power on 91oct on his DD, though, so I QUOTE]
Shiv got close to 300 whp(295 whp) with 91 oct TBE/Flash. That equals 330-340 whp on DJ. Throw the rest of the bolt-on into the mix including cams and I come up with about 330 whp on pump max( being optimistic). Race gas will likely put you over 350-360 whp(optimistic). Which is approx 370 whp on pump and 400 whp on race on DJ. Just speculation but more realistic IMO. Of course there will be those outliner cars that make a lil more or less but my predictions usually are fairly accurate.
Shiv got close to 300 whp(295 whp) with 91 oct TBE/Flash. That equals 330-340 whp on DJ. Throw the rest of the bolt-on into the mix including cams and I come up with about 330 whp on pump max( being optimistic). Race gas will likely put you over 350-360 whp(optimistic). Which is approx 370 whp on pump and 400 whp on race on DJ. Just speculation but more realistic IMO. Of course there will be those outliner cars that make a lil more or less but my predictions usually are fairly accurate.
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