Conservative or Liberal ??
Originally Posted by trinydex
national zocialist party... for goodness sake this is like high school stuff...
be real seriously... fighting for democracy? womens rights? you see the women getting liberated? you see any democracy goin' on? it's the same rigged election **** that got saddam in power. seriously... wake up... it was about oil. is that ok? maybe, maybe not.
be real seriously... fighting for democracy? womens rights? you see the women getting liberated? you see any democracy goin' on? it's the same rigged election **** that got saddam in power. seriously... wake up... it was about oil. is that ok? maybe, maybe not.
Saddam was a terrorist, he had friends he financed and otherwise supported that were terrorists. We took him out. He had WMD (not that it matters). Even his recently released tapes prove this conclusively. He was a mass murderer and we put him in jail, liberated his people and are killing terrorists as we speak.
Our invasion of Iraq was brilliant. Not perfect. But in the history of warfare it looks absolutely incredible how much we have achieved and how cleanly. We have created a terrorist magnet. There is no more central location to deal with terrorists and terrorism than Iraq. We are there as we should be dealing with a problem that needed to be dealt with.
Originally Posted by XxBLACKMAMBAxX
Oh and by the way, you say liberals ban smoking, the mayor of NYC is a billionare republican, and signed into law that smoking is banned from all public places in the 5 boroughs.
BTW: The rest of the crap you spewed is not even worth addressing, it is foolish. Conspiracy theory nutter nonsense. Embarassing. Take off your tinfoil hat and go get your fillings checked.
Originally Posted by MRinChrist
BTW: The rest of the crap you spewed is not even worth addressing, it is foolish. Conspiracy theory nutter nonsense. Embarassing. Take off your tinfoil hat and go get your fillings checked.
Originally Posted by MRinChrist
Saddam was a terrorist, he had friends he financed and otherwise supported that were terrorists. We took him out. He had WMD (not that it matters). Even his recently released tapes prove this conclusively.
Our invasion of Iraq was brilliant.
Our invasion of Iraq was brilliant.
you know MR... before this post i was actually reading your posts with interest thinking that you had something good to say. but the fact you actually beleive he had WMD (STILL) completely negated that. you have just moved down 5 points on the beleive-o-meter. and the reason i say this? well if you actually had one hint of what had been going on in iraq, you would have known that saddam was the only one who beleive he had WMD's. all his troops destroyed them years and years ago. they have interviewed the soldiers who destroyed them, the ones who buryied them, the ones who lied to saddam saying they were developping new ones when in fact they were not. well, i shouldn't say saddam was the only one, Bushy, and you also beleived.
and our invasion in iraq was about as brilliant as a a kindergarteners first novel. a monkey could have had the same results we had in the inital invasion. its like the pittsburg steelers playing your local high school football team. they don't even need a play book and the high schools are all going to quite before they hurt themselves. which is exactly what happened.
and then, sense anyone who has any sense about military tactics, you would know that the best method of fighting someone you cannot defeat head to head, you need to resort to gorilla warfare... which is what they are doing. quite successfully at that. and there will never be freedom and democracy in iraq in our immediate future. it is going to go to civil war and more people then you can imagine are going to die. what a great cause this has been!!! all in the name of nation security because they have WMD... wait! change that, i mean saddam is an evil man!!! wait change that! for democracy and womens rights! yeah! thats the answer i'll stick with alex!
Originally Posted by KevinD
all in the name of nation security because they have WMD... wait! change that, i mean saddam is an evil man!!! wait change that! for democracy and womens rights! yeah! thats the answer i'll stick with alex!
Originally Posted by MRinChrist
Grow up. You still on the tired old "it is all about oil" crap?...We get a majority of our oil from Canada and Mexico. Go back to school and learn something, and this time get your finger out of your nose and pay attention...I take that back, it is your leftist teachers that probably taught you this crap.
Saddam was a terrorist, he had friends he financed and otherwise supported that were terrorists. We took him out. He had WMD (not that it matters). Even his recently released tapes prove this conclusively. He was a mass murderer and we put him in jail, liberated his people and are killing terrorists as we speak.
Our invasion of Iraq was brilliant. Not perfect. But in the history of warfare it looks absolutely incredible how much we have achieved and how cleanly. We have created a terrorist magnet. There is no more central location to deal with terrorists and terrorism than Iraq. We are there as we should be dealing with a problem that needed to be dealt with.
Saddam was a terrorist, he had friends he financed and otherwise supported that were terrorists. We took him out. He had WMD (not that it matters). Even his recently released tapes prove this conclusively. He was a mass murderer and we put him in jail, liberated his people and are killing terrorists as we speak.
Our invasion of Iraq was brilliant. Not perfect. But in the history of warfare it looks absolutely incredible how much we have achieved and how cleanly. We have created a terrorist magnet. There is no more central location to deal with terrorists and terrorism than Iraq. We are there as we should be dealing with a problem that needed to be dealt with.
You are truly lost. Canada and Mexico make up 30% total of the oil imported into the U.S. with Venezuela very close behind Mexico mostly due to internal struggles. If we want to look at cause and effect relationships, look at the reliance percentage for different oil exporters to the U.S. While Iraq is way down there in oil exports to the U.S., look at their reliance on the U.S. market. It's 40%! And one has to realize the reasons why their export is so low is due to the wonderful job we've done of stabilizing the country. There's no doubt Saddam is a terrorist. Yet we continue to ignore mass genocide in several African countries such as Uganda and Rwanda. Why? They don't have natural resources we need. There have been far more lives lost on the African continent 100X over than ever lost their lives in Iraq. Yet we do nothing. No oil, no action.
Yeah, "shock and awe" was a brilliant campaign. It solved all our problems. It's now completely safe for any Iraqi citizen to walk down their own street in broad daylight. Commerce is booming and the country is 100% stable. Brilliant campaign. I can go and beat up a 10 year old but I wouldn't call my actions brilliant.
For those who do not feel we've lost any of our freedoms, try wearing a pro-Democrat shirt to a Bush fundraiser or speaking engagement. See what happens. Thumb through the Patriot Act and take notes of how many of these supposedly temporary powers are invasive into the lives of people who may simply disagree with policy. There's nothing more "democratic" than disagreement and debate. Most of those who disagree with the loss of freedom in this country have no real involvement in society's fabric. They're not activists. They live in their own little worlds and occasionally get angry at what they see on TV. But the real crux is the large media conglomerates that have burgeoned under the Bush administration which effectively limits what news is disseminated to the public. We're free to hear whatever they allow us to hear.
In the end, MrinChrist, you haven't made any valid points or counterpoints. You have only "spouted" dogma. You've not chose to even examine another's point of view as you're so convinced, blindly convinced, you're correct. You're a neo- federalist who believes the entire country should follow your own clustered thinking. Where's the freedom in that? And for the record, I'm an award-winning journalist, one with degrees in aesthetics, metaphysics and ethics from an Ivy-league school. I'm an egotist, Kantian, and elitist by nature yet I believe ultimately in individual responsibility and education. Experience constitutes the only reality, the rest is just heresy. And I don't necessarily believe in 90% of what's been posted in these discussions, on both sides. You missed my point about making broad, sweeping generalizations based on affiliation. It's no different than what Pol Pot, Hitler and Mao did to their own. And while we're on the record, my wife's parents were highly educated, one being a doctor, the other a University professor. The educated were the first to be exterminated in Cambodia, a result of Pol Pot's desire to move his country to a purely communist state overnight and remove any educated dissent. Her grandfather, a general in Sinhanouk's army, was hung in front of the family. I think she has far more insight into pure evil than your book-derieved concept of evil. You lump democrats as all being socialists when the own party that you so clearly support has an enormous humanitarian record over the course of our country's existence. And there's nothing wrong with that. So don't hate someone because they're trying to help. You have no intrinsic right to 93 octane gas. And it's not some issue created by democrats just to keep you from having a "fast" car. Just move to a state more to your liking.
He was a mass murderer and we put him in jail
Originally Posted by KevinD
you know MR... before this post i was actually reading your posts with interest thinking that you had something good to say. but the fact you actually beleive he had WMD (STILL) completely negated that.
"[The Iraqis] started building new buildings, renovating it, hiring some new staff and bringing them together," Kay said. "And they ran a few physics experiments, re-ran experiments they'd actually run in the '80s."
"Fortunately, from my point of view," he added, "Operation Iraqi Freedom intervened and we don't know how or how fast that would have gone ahead. ... Given their history, it was certainly an emerging program that I would not have looked forward to their continuing to pursue."
WMD or not is not the issue. Saddam had undeniable links to terrorism and that is what the "war on terror" is about.
Consider yourself owned.
I'll back out now. For some odd reason (not really odd, but interesting) liberals love power and often find themselves seeking moderator positions at websites like this. They commonly do not like Conservative thought and free-speech, so I get singled out and harassed. Power tripping is something that must come natural to the liberal mind and they like to exercise that by acting tough and using their power unjustly.
I will here desist and go back to my power addiction.
Vote Republican!...Stop Democrat inspired 91 octane **** water and high gas taxes!
I will here desist and go back to my power addiction.
Vote Republican!...Stop Democrat inspired 91 octane **** water and high gas taxes!
Originally Posted by FlyNavy
I didn't even take the time to read this thread, but will use it to further my political agenda. For the record....
I don't care about the energy crisis, gas prices or the environment. I would pour a 4 dollar gallon of premium down a spotted owl's throat myself to gain a tenth in the quarter mile.
Mr. President....just make my car faster.
I don't care about the energy crisis, gas prices or the environment. I would pour a 4 dollar gallon of premium down a spotted owl's throat myself to gain a tenth in the quarter mile.
Mr. President....just make my car faster.
Thanks man. I'm well aware of the politics of my situation. And have more sources to site than news and the internet. However, my main priority (after my friends and I not getting blown up) is my next all-wheel horse. Call me shallow.
It does give me a woody though to hear Americans debate intelligently (or not) about it all. Banging heads over their differences as they stand on the same free ground. It's f%cking beautiful.
It does give me a woody though to hear Americans debate intelligently (or not) about it all. Banging heads over their differences as they stand on the same free ground. It's f%cking beautiful.
Originally Posted by MRinChrist
WMD or not is not the issue. Saddam had undeniable links to terrorism and that is what the "war on terror" is about.
Consider yourself owned.
Consider yourself owned.
owned... PShhh i'll be owned when a "republican" can balance a national budget. i'm not worried.



