Conservative or Liberal ??
Originally Posted by FahKen Evo!
I still don't understand how those Buildings Fell, doesn't make sense to me.
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Originally Posted by Aux.
So, here i am shopping for a company to spend my rightously earned dollars with but for the life of me i can't figure out who to go through
. One company mod conservativly while another a little more liberally. One says they can make it daily drivable and reliable while another says "you will only ever notice a little bit of loping at idle". So do i go conservative and save for reliability with the conservatives or but up the horse and get closer to the knock range. Funny thing is how long i have been deliberating over this. I have spent hours talking to people like WAR and some other reliable sources... can somebody kick my *** in the right direction please and end my damn struggle. So many shops... so little decisiveness.
. One company mod conservativly while another a little more liberally. One says they can make it daily drivable and reliable while another says "you will only ever notice a little bit of loping at idle". So do i go conservative and save for reliability with the conservatives or but up the horse and get closer to the knock range. Funny thing is how long i have been deliberating over this. I have spent hours talking to people like WAR and some other reliable sources... can somebody kick my *** in the right direction please and end my damn struggle. So many shops... so little decisiveness.Anyway, I think since you're asking the question, i'd say go 'conservative'. Very much depends on how you define the word really. I mean you could mean just getting an MBC, a TBE and a flash or you could be calling mild cams conservative. I reallyl can't judge.
If you ask me, nobody I know of mod their cars only once and stop forever. If you go conservative, you can always make it more extreme later. If you go too far, getting that fixed IMO is more difficult. Besides, if you increase your power a little at a time, you get to appreciate and get used to it. If you go from a stock car to a full blown giant turbo with alky and +400whp in one giant leap, it will be a heck of a shock and you will probably take a lot of time to get used to it - during which period it won't be fun at all.
Thus, we find substantial evidence supporting the current conjecture that thermite (solid aluminum powder plus Fe2O3, with possible addition of sulfur) was used on the steel columns of the WTC Tower to weaken the huge steel supports, not long before explosives finished the demolition job. Roughly 3,000 pounds of RDX-grade linear-shaped charges (which could have been pre-positioned by just a few men) would then suffice in each Tower and WTC 7 to cut the supports at key points so that gravity would bring the buildings straight down. The estimate is based on the amount of explosives used in controlled demolitions in the past and the size of the buildings. Radio-initiated firing of the charges is implicated here. Using computer-controlled radio signals, it would be an easy matter to begin the explosive demolition near the point of entry of the planes in the Towers.
There has to be some fowl play somewhere.
MRinChrist I have not seen one statement by you that has proven or explained anything. You obviously have no grasp of the current political or environmental situation in this country. Bush is so great right? Here it is: Huge deficit (which will mostly be payed off by people who can't even vote yet), Iraq steadily heading towards civil war (have you read the news lately? No, Fox News does not count.), No weapons found in Iraq and more terrorists produced due to our actions, education has been cut, medicare and medicaid have been cut, social security has ben cut, the katrina response was botched, the no child left behind provision severly under-funded, etc...
I study environmental studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and I will assure you that burning fossil fuels does contribute to global warming. The rise in temperature and the melting of ice at the poles since the 1940's has been the sharpest spike in measurable history (history as in examining layers of ice and mineral samples to deduce carbon level in the atmosphere). We are obviously having an impact on the warming of the globe, and science that is not so complicated tells us this will have a severe negative impact. Sure, go ahead and complain about hippy rhetoric and god-less socialists, but in the end your point of view in undeniably the most ignorant.
Tell me all the great things that Bush has done. And please don't give me the liberation fo Iraq. First of all the war in Iraq is looking to be a failure in any case, and also the reasons behind the war are obviously selfish and hid secretly. Where has spending on domestic programs gone? Down. Taking the fight to al queda is fine, and we did the right thing in afghanistan, but calling Iraq part of the war on terror is heresy. We created all the terrorists in Iraq! Sure saddam was a bad man, but if you checked up on the current situation in Africa then you would see there are many worse men who it would take a lot less to stop. So please, think before you speak or spread your love for this bromide-spouting pretend cowboy of yours, or i guess maybe thinking for you is a bit too hard.
And for god's sake "MRinChrist"! Are you serious? Would Jesus advocate spending 35,000 dollars on a car? Or any car at all? I cannot take you seriously.
I study environmental studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and I will assure you that burning fossil fuels does contribute to global warming. The rise in temperature and the melting of ice at the poles since the 1940's has been the sharpest spike in measurable history (history as in examining layers of ice and mineral samples to deduce carbon level in the atmosphere). We are obviously having an impact on the warming of the globe, and science that is not so complicated tells us this will have a severe negative impact. Sure, go ahead and complain about hippy rhetoric and god-less socialists, but in the end your point of view in undeniably the most ignorant.
Tell me all the great things that Bush has done. And please don't give me the liberation fo Iraq. First of all the war in Iraq is looking to be a failure in any case, and also the reasons behind the war are obviously selfish and hid secretly. Where has spending on domestic programs gone? Down. Taking the fight to al queda is fine, and we did the right thing in afghanistan, but calling Iraq part of the war on terror is heresy. We created all the terrorists in Iraq! Sure saddam was a bad man, but if you checked up on the current situation in Africa then you would see there are many worse men who it would take a lot less to stop. So please, think before you speak or spread your love for this bromide-spouting pretend cowboy of yours, or i guess maybe thinking for you is a bit too hard.
And for god's sake "MRinChrist"! Are you serious? Would Jesus advocate spending 35,000 dollars on a car? Or any car at all? I cannot take you seriously.
Oh and to the person who started this thread. Don't mod if you can't afford to fix something if it breaks. If you have the cash, do whatever you want. If you need your car to be dependable, don't go all out on the mods. And I have to say it was foolish to bring the terms "liberal" and "conservative" on a forum because you had to know this was going to get out of hand.
Originally Posted by KevinD
just like george bush?
However, what I am a supporter of is this country. Now you ask me what does that mean? Well it means I will do whatevers necassary in preserving this great nations ideals and way of life.
Bush has screwed it up by letting the arabs run our port security which is basically the same idea as giving Osama all our nuclear weapons codes.
The ACLU has screwed our nation up by giving terrorists and child rapers more rights then military soldiers who fight for the ACLU's freedoms.
The NAACP has screwed it up by.... well just being the NAACP.
I am tired of organizations and politicians screwing up this great nation to earn a buck. I think it is time for a massive re-take over of this nation and to instill that lobbying is illegal and that campaigning for office will be done on the persons merit not how much he can receive from lobbyists.
Originally Posted by mtags24
MRinChrist I have not seen one statement by you that has proven or explained anything. You obviously have no grasp of the current political or environmental situation in this country. Bush is so great right? Here it is: Huge deficit (which will mostly be payed off by people who can't even vote yet), Iraq steadily heading towards civil war (have you read the news lately? No, Fox News does not count.), No weapons found in Iraq and more terrorists produced due to our actions, education has been cut, medicare and medicaid have been cut, social security has ben cut, the katrina response was botched, the no child left behind provision severly under-funded, etc...
I study environmental studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and I will assure you that burning fossil fuels does contribute to global warming. The rise in temperature and the melting of ice at the poles since the 1940's has been the sharpest spike in measurable history (history as in examining layers of ice and mineral samples to deduce carbon level in the atmosphere). We are obviously having an impact on the warming of the globe, and science that is not so complicated tells us this will have a severe negative impact. Sure, go ahead and complain about hippy rhetoric and god-less socialists, but in the end your point of view in undeniably the most ignorant.
Tell me all the great things that Bush has done. And please don't give me the liberation fo Iraq. First of all the war in Iraq is looking to be a failure in any case, and also the reasons behind the war are obviously selfish and hid secretly. Where has spending on domestic programs gone? Down. Taking the fight to al queda is fine, and we did the right thing in afghanistan, but calling Iraq part of the war on terror is heresy. We created all the terrorists in Iraq! Sure saddam was a bad man, but if you checked up on the current situation in Africa then you would see there are many worse men who it would take a lot less to stop. So please, think before you speak or spread your love for this bromide-spouting pretend cowboy of yours, or i guess maybe thinking for you is a bit too hard.
And for god's sake "MRinChrist"! Are you serious? Would Jesus advocate spending 35,000 dollars on a car? Or any car at all? I cannot take you seriously.
I study environmental studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and I will assure you that burning fossil fuels does contribute to global warming. The rise in temperature and the melting of ice at the poles since the 1940's has been the sharpest spike in measurable history (history as in examining layers of ice and mineral samples to deduce carbon level in the atmosphere). We are obviously having an impact on the warming of the globe, and science that is not so complicated tells us this will have a severe negative impact. Sure, go ahead and complain about hippy rhetoric and god-less socialists, but in the end your point of view in undeniably the most ignorant.
Tell me all the great things that Bush has done. And please don't give me the liberation fo Iraq. First of all the war in Iraq is looking to be a failure in any case, and also the reasons behind the war are obviously selfish and hid secretly. Where has spending on domestic programs gone? Down. Taking the fight to al queda is fine, and we did the right thing in afghanistan, but calling Iraq part of the war on terror is heresy. We created all the terrorists in Iraq! Sure saddam was a bad man, but if you checked up on the current situation in Africa then you would see there are many worse men who it would take a lot less to stop. So please, think before you speak or spread your love for this bromide-spouting pretend cowboy of yours, or i guess maybe thinking for you is a bit too hard.
And for god's sake "MRinChrist"! Are you serious? Would Jesus advocate spending 35,000 dollars on a car? Or any car at all? I cannot take you seriously.
First off global warming is a theory not a scientific fact. Much like evolution is a theory(not the car). Now global warming IMO does not exist and enver will and here is why. The earths weather system is a pattern and if you studied meteorology and forecasting you would understand this. Now I know your first excuse will be well how come there have been alot fo hurricanes this last season? Well if you remember correctly 40yrs ago we had the same spike in hurricanes and in that year there were even more and more intensive ones. Also our world average temp has gone up by a couple degrees. Well this same thing happened a couple hundred years ago. And also not to mention how come global warming didnt occur a long time ago when we had no concept of smog protection? However, I tell ya what, when the movie DAY AFTER TOMMOROW becomes reality then I will definitely say you were right. Until then I am going to have to rendor you the nutcase as of this moment.
Originally Posted by MRinChrist
I'll back out now. For some odd reason (not really odd, but interesting) liberals love power and often find themselves seeking moderator positions at websites like this. They commonly do not like Conservative thought and free-speech, so I get singled out and harassed. Power tripping is something that must come natural to the liberal mind and they like to exercise that by acting tough and using their power unjustly.
I will here desist and go back to my power addiction.
Vote Republican!...Stop Democrat inspired 91 octane **** water and high gas taxes!
I will here desist and go back to my power addiction.
Vote Republican!...Stop Democrat inspired 91 octane **** water and high gas taxes!
This is not a stab at any religion, I respect peoples decisions to go to church and practice christianity. That is simply the attidtude MRinChrist seems to be voicing
Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
I think we have a liberal nutcase on our hands guys. You know I know someone that would call you a mental disorder?
First off global warming is a theory not a scientific fact. Much like evolution is a theory(not the car). Now global warming IMO does not exist and enver will and here is why. The earths weather system is a pattern and if you studied meteorology and forecasting you would understand this. Now I know your first excuse will be well how come there have been alot fo hurricanes this last season? Well if you remember correctly 40yrs ago we had the same spike in hurricanes and in that year there were even more and more intensive ones. Also our world average temp has gone up by a couple degrees. Well this same thing happened a couple hundred years ago. And also not to mention how come global warming didnt occur a long time ago when we had no concept of smog protection? However, I tell ya what, when the movie DAY AFTER TOMMOROW becomes reality then I will definitely say you were right. Until then I am going to have to rendor you the nutcase as of this moment.
First off global warming is a theory not a scientific fact. Much like evolution is a theory(not the car). Now global warming IMO does not exist and enver will and here is why. The earths weather system is a pattern and if you studied meteorology and forecasting you would understand this. Now I know your first excuse will be well how come there have been alot fo hurricanes this last season? Well if you remember correctly 40yrs ago we had the same spike in hurricanes and in that year there were even more and more intensive ones. Also our world average temp has gone up by a couple degrees. Well this same thing happened a couple hundred years ago. And also not to mention how come global warming didnt occur a long time ago when we had no concept of smog protection? However, I tell ya what, when the movie DAY AFTER TOMMOROW becomes reality then I will definitely say you were right. Until then I am going to have to rendor you the nutcase as of this moment.
hahahaha i study this stuff at a university you nutcase. the fact that the globe is warming is a fact. the theory is how this warming is occuring. looking at how quicky the earth's temp has risen in 60 years, plus the boom in pollution, plus our understanding of how greenhouse gases act in the atmosphere leads anyone who does scientifically study this phenomenon to realize we have an effect. the day after tomorow scenario is impossible for reasons i won't get into. global warming will have a gradual effect, and the main results will be the spreading of disease (mosquitos love standing water), whole coastal populations destroyed, rain patterns changing resulting in bad farming and famine, physical destruction of many areas near sea level, more intense storms (not necessarily more of them), among countless other bad things.
Yes the globe will warm and cool naturally, but NOT AT THIS RATE EVER!
Regardless of the cause, the globe is warming. If it continues at this rate these things will DEFINITELY happen. It should not even be debatable that we should do everything in our power to not contribute to this warming.
Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
I am tired of organizations and politicians screwing up this great nation to earn a buck. I think it is time for a massive re-take over of this nation and to instill that lobbying is illegal and that campaigning for office will be done on the persons merit not how much he can receive from lobbyists.
Wow... why the hell do republicans seem so uneducated? Do they not believe in logic, or scientific studies? There used to be a time when politicians respected our scientists and studies. Now they just use reports that work out in their favor. All the use are extremes to make a point. Evolution: "I didn't come from no MONKEY!" Iraq: "Saddam was a crazy guy like HITLER!!" Global warming: " However, I tell ya what, when the movie DAY AFTER TOMMOROW becomes reality then I will definitely say you were right." Hey, news flash, the movie a Day After Tomorrow was a joke, something like that will NEVER happen. What will, and what is happening is ice caps will continue to melt, animals will die, ocean levels will increase, and hurricanes will become stronger. You will see more and greater destruction of costal towns and cities. The 2005 Atlantic Hurricane season set the most records every in-recorded history. Take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season The Bush Administration is just in denial about Global Warming.
Also, why worry about things like stem cell research, which could save lives and cure the sick, and gays that do not bother anyone and want the same benefits as normal couples? Could it be that these issues take up time in the senate and the house are used to push more important ones off to the side? Hello, Iran, North Korea, Katrina victims?
Bush has ruined our country and our way of life. He has caused a vacuum in Iraq allowing terrorist to infiltrate the country and kill our solders. This has further increased the terrorist threat. We should have stayed in Afghanistan to capture Bin Laden. Bush, instead, used it as a pep-rally to go to Iraq without the UN’s permission or hardly a backing from other countries. Oh, yeah… cause we went there to liberate the people right? Bush worries about one thing, his pockets. Why do so many continue to follow him blindly?

From: The Atlanta Journal and Constitution http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/index.html
Also, why worry about things like stem cell research, which could save lives and cure the sick, and gays that do not bother anyone and want the same benefits as normal couples? Could it be that these issues take up time in the senate and the house are used to push more important ones off to the side? Hello, Iran, North Korea, Katrina victims?
Bush has ruined our country and our way of life. He has caused a vacuum in Iraq allowing terrorist to infiltrate the country and kill our solders. This has further increased the terrorist threat. We should have stayed in Afghanistan to capture Bin Laden. Bush, instead, used it as a pep-rally to go to Iraq without the UN’s permission or hardly a backing from other countries. Oh, yeah… cause we went there to liberate the people right? Bush worries about one thing, his pockets. Why do so many continue to follow him blindly?

From: The Atlanta Journal and Constitution http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/index.html
Last edited by Event-Horizon; Mar 6, 2006 at 12:30 PM.
Originally Posted by Event-Horizon
Wow... why the hell do republicans seem so uneducated? Do they not believe in logic, or scientific studies? There used to be a time when politicians respected our scientists and studies. Now they just use reports that work out in their favor. All the use are extremes to make a point. Evolution: "I didn't come from no MONKEY!" Iraq: "Saddam was a crazy guy like HITLER!!" Global warming: " However, I tell ya what, when the movie DAY AFTER TOMMOROW becomes reality then I will definitely say you were right." Hey, news flash, the movie a Day After Tomorrow was a joke, something like that will NEVER happen. What will, and what is happening is ice caps will continue to melt, animals will die, ocean levels will increase, and hurricanes will become stronger. You will see more and greater destruction of costal towns and cities. The 2005 Atlantic Hurricane season set the most records every in-recorded history. Take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season The Bush Administration is just in denial about Global Warming.
Also, why worry about things like stem cell research, which could save lives and cure the sick, and gays that do not bother anyone and want the same benefits as normal couples? Could it be that these issues take up time in the senate and the house are used to push more important ones off to the side? Hello, Iran, North Korea, Katrina victims?
Bush has ruined our country and our way of life. He has caused a vacuum in Iraq allowing terrorist to infiltrate the country and kill our solders. This has further increased the terrorist threat. We should have stayed in Afghanistan to capture Bin Laden. Bush, instead, used it as a pep-rally to go to Iraq without the UN’s permission or hardly a backing from other countries. Oh, yeah… cause we went there to liberate the people right? Bush worries about one thing, his pockets. Why do so many continue to follow him blindly?
Also, why worry about things like stem cell research, which could save lives and cure the sick, and gays that do not bother anyone and want the same benefits as normal couples? Could it be that these issues take up time in the senate and the house are used to push more important ones off to the side? Hello, Iran, North Korea, Katrina victims?
Bush has ruined our country and our way of life. He has caused a vacuum in Iraq allowing terrorist to infiltrate the country and kill our solders. This has further increased the terrorist threat. We should have stayed in Afghanistan to capture Bin Laden. Bush, instead, used it as a pep-rally to go to Iraq without the UN’s permission or hardly a backing from other countries. Oh, yeah… cause we went there to liberate the people right? Bush worries about one thing, his pockets. Why do so many continue to follow him blindly?
The US is on every other countries **** list already. We make more enemies than friends all because of our wonderful (sarcasm) leadership and role in policing the world. Also, we are destroying the world around us as we consume everything in sight and don't follow international treaties. We need to think about others, not just ourselves. The US as a whole is a very self centered country and only interested in furthering its own goals.
the fact that the globe is warming is a fact.
Furthermore like I said it is a pattern of change. Just like anything else. Everything has a pattern even micro climate has patterns. And because micro climate has patterns these patterns will also inflict upon the macro climate having patterns. I am glad you are studying these things in your classes cause I already have. Mayeb when you finish your schooling you will come to realize what you know now is nothing compared to what you will learn after 20yrs of climate and forecasting research. The learning doesnt begin in the classroom it begins out in the field and on your job. All the classroom does is prep you for your real learning.
Now I will agree with you that we need to paya ttention to our enviornment and conserve. I am also for conservation as I am a concervative it is one of my fortes so to say. Thats why I am for the elimination of V8's and gas guzzling vehicles liek SUV's and big trucks. There is no need for them. Now the only way for someone to own a truck is if he has a job that necissitates them (ie construction or if you want a V8 it should be for race purposes only). However, even thats debatable becasue last time I checked the chineese didnt have the F150 when they were building the Great Wall.
Now on the other hand I do beleive because some tree huggers are going a little over board that we are in some serious trouble when it comes to energy. I think even though we need to conserve we also need to implement more refineries and nuclear power plants which will decrease the cost of living expenses and will conserve money in everyones pockets. I dont knwo about you but 50cents at the pump was awesome in its day what about you? Same thing with 20 dollar electric bills.



