[QUOTE=silverEVO8] Here is another guy, slamming a car he does not have or understand

From reading your signature I see that you've already destroyed the BBS wheels from your car as well as changing or perhaps damaging other parts. Of course, you can do whatever you want to your car, but don't think you are right about everything or that your ideas are the best for everybody. Sounds to me that you wasted a lot of good money and ruined a fine car. You should have considered buying something like a Honda Civic and modifying the hell out of it, with slammed suspension, 19" wheels, etc. You would have been happier, saved a tone of cash and saved a fine car from a gruesome fate

 

Even then.. We're now talking two different animals. He'll be outdriving an open front diff, no ACD, Heavier wheels, and non-bilstein struts.

 

What exactly do you dislike about your MR?

 

This is true. However, he's making claims about the MR suspension not being good enough for him, so he needs to be able to justify that claim as well...

 

Thats a quote ^^^
what the hell is that crap

 

I'd +1 that. I've had a variety of aftermarket coilovers and really the stock blisteins on the MR are among the very best and significantly better than the non-MR version.

I don't know about pushing the suspension beyond its limits, but I think most people think that they have pushed the suspension to the limits when they've only pushed the tyres over the limit. I'm not saying that BBYBruno (or anyone else in particular) belongs to this category, but it is a possibility.

There is a fixation on really harsh rides because for a number of years back, coilovers from Japanese cars that actually had adjutable height and are of any quality are very (smooth) track orientated so you get hernia inducing rides which people took for great suspension. Which in a way, they are, but for normal bumpy roads, it's just too much. Tein, for example, in recent years have introduced a rather confusing array of coilovers that are al fairly close to stock. Still caught in the 90's appear to be HKS whose hypermaxes I rate to be the worst things you can put on your car, next to concrete.

It _is_ possible to get better suspension than the stock but it takes time and for most of us, professional tuning - someone who can tune it to how you like it to ride. There's no real point in getting 32 step x 2 way adjustable ohlins if you haven't got a clue what you're doing. There's no need for Proflexes if you're not preparing for the safari rally, and i haven't felt any thing wrong with the stock bilsteins after long hot rides. Mitsu and Bilstein has come up with a very good compromise with the MR suspension and if you _really_ want it slightly different, I'd look for someone to revalve the thing.

 

you can think the MR great
or
The extra mod $ is great
Not to difficult
I made the wrong decision, and got the MR and that's what I would say to any ones face.

 

resale value, i would think its the same maybe a $1000 dollar difference, but unless you REALLY want the extra gear and bilstein suspension, i feel its not worth it. get a regular 9. if the resale value is that important then get it. but if plan on just tracking the car and what not a evo rs or evo gsr would be sufficent enough.

 

What the fu*k^^^

 

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Originally Posted by RobDogg

What the fu*k^^^

Which paragraphs, sentences or words do you not understand? And what is it with the profanity?

 

Originally Posted by silverEVO8
You don't even have to get a Mustang. A first or second gen Miata with a FM turbo kit and suspension upgrades will destroy a stock EVO (or even some modified ones) in the dragstrip and the track.... $3K~$5K Miata plus $6K~$8K in mods = $9K ~ $13K Miata guaranteed to own $29K~$36K stock EVO or even some modified ones......

Well, you are right. It's interesting, but it's not really off topic. Some people are positing that the EVO MR is not worth the difference in price from the other EVOs. Some say it sucks, others say that you can modify a regular EVO for a few bucks and have a better car (whatever that means) than the MR. Somebody said if you are worried about money for straight line performance try a Mustang. I know that a Miata (which are cheap as dirt) can be easily modified for realtively low prices to a level of performance higher than a stock EVO or even some modified EVOs. Actually, in the track or road race those modified Miatas can kill even a highly modified EVO. Anyway, the driver is more than 50% of the equation in racing performance so a good driver can take a relatively crappy car and easily defeat an unskilled driver even if he is driving a great racing car. I've seen it, it's true. Also, I doubt that more than a small handful of all EVO drivers in the world can actually push any stock EVO past its limits. So the whole discussion is just a little less than academic.

 

Well, it is academic if you extend the discussion to cover all maners of other cars and moifications. It is not even sensible to talk about extensive mods vs. cost 'cos at the end of the day, the most cost effective way to get the most power in an evo for the least money is probably to buy a VII and mod the living daylights out of it.

It is not so pointless if the discussion is about the age-old, basic question of 'which evo IX should i get' which is mainly the core of the question here.

It depends on what you want to do with it at the end of the day. (For example, if you're going rallying with it, get the RS and the homologation papers.)

Personally, I think the MR is worth the extra money. While you can get similar effects from aftermarket parts, why not save yourself the hassle of installing new coiloverss and the possibility of making a mistake and getting a set that turns out not to be to your liking. Same goes with the 6 spd. I don't see why people keep saying it's weaker. Yes, the parts will have to be smaller, but I have not seen anyhting tranny issues that were caused by this or anythin that wouldn't happen in a 5spd box. If you're doubtful about the usefulness of the extra ratio, I'd take both for a test drive. I personally find the 6 spd to be just fine.

Some people don't think it's worth the extra cash and that's fine with me. Yes, you can modify the evo all you like and if you have plans to take out the bits that you're paying extra for (in the MR) then there's little point in getting it in the first place (unless you want to sell your MR parts).

The biggest differences you'll notice, if you ignore the alloys and badges) are the gearbox and suspension. These two factors you can find out if you dirve them back to back and the decide if you think they're worth it.

 

I think the best thing to do . Is to BUY the MR and just buy supporting mods for the suspension. Which is what im going to do to mine
I was being a jerk earlier

 

Ok first of all my last comment was not towards you so...?

Sorry I dont have any trophies or what not, but you can push the limits of the stock suspension on the street, i'm sure you know this.

 

No, you can't, but that does answer my question...