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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 04:21 PM
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to further answer your question the gurney flap does two things simultaneously to recombine seperated flow. firstly it speeds up the air over the trailing edge, this will bring the streaklines downward. this "pinching" of course brings the two flow closer together and minimizes the seperation possibility (from above).

however it also bends the flow underneath (suction flow, lift flow, underflow) up by means of those two vortices you see on hte gurney's website i posted earlier. one vortice feeds the top flow and the other acts as a buffer for the bottomflow curving it upwards, once again minimizing the seperation distances of the flow and keeping them stuck togehter at the hind end of the wing.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonz of fun
Like I said if looks are important to then go ahead, Get some neon too your car will stand out. All Im saying is I would just like to build a faster car, Not one that "stands out" and looks cool.
sounds like we have a new type of discrimination, 'ricism'
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by trinydex
dude... i'm talkin' about spending thousands for a deck lid that weghs 7 pounds....
Notice I said 500+ as in over 500. Last time I checked People dont sell wet carbon for 500+. My thing is instead of pay thousands for a car to make it lighter why not use that for cams, new injectors, fuel pumps, and Alky injection.

The bottom line is if your in the position to spend thousands on items like that you should already have everything done to your car, so you can afford to spend money on stuff like that. But i doubt anyone has put $50,000+ into thier cars and if you have why are you even asking if i should or should not get it. Just get it if you have that kind of cash.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by trinydex
sounds like we have a new type of discrimination, 'ricism'
Look guy I am no racist. And if I offended you to buy neon so you can stand out im sorry. Would you rather I just agree with everything you say unchallenged. Doesnt anyone like a debat anymore???

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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by trinydex
however it also bends the flow underneath (suction flow, lift flow, underflow) up by means of those two vortices you see on hte gurney's website i posted earlier. one vortice feeds the top flow and the other acts as a buffer for the bottomflow curving it upwards, once again minimizing the seperation distances of the flow and keeping them stuck togehter at the hind end of the wing.
Cool, I guess I should have read more on that website. I just looked at the diagram for a minute, and read a little but didn't quite get it all. Thanks!
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 04:34 PM
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And btw, I think it looks cool as well! So there! Where can I get one for a reasonable price? Some people have made suggestions, but where are the links?
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 04:38 PM
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savannah mitsubishi can get these, web site is the same as name.......also, i have the Varis carbon kevlar yellow and black weave hood, it is 5 pounds less. it flows air better and is way better in the heat department. it also looks very nice i think. i hope the Sav mitsu guys can help you out.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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^Really? I tell ya what you drive a stock one then drive one with that little lip thingy and tell me if you notice a difference at 100.

I can gaurantee you it is pointless. Just like the cf hoods, and the vortex generator. Its not going to be the difinitive factor in winning a race at 160mph. Its pointless to have period.

Its like putting a wing/spoiler on a fwd car.
We performed an unscientific test on all three Evos back in 2004 with some strands of ribbon taped to the rear roof section of an RS, VIII, and MR and were shocked by the different patterns of air flow we could see at speeds as low as 50 mph. The bottom line is that the wing provides more down force than an Evo without. And the Vortex Generator equipped MR had even more air flow across a wider area of the wing thereby creating more downforce. Here's the old article link:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html

The RS is sold, in theory, with the end user installing their own choice of wing, since the RS is offered primarily for race team use. Contrary to poular belief it is not the fastest of the three Evos in stock form around a race track, it was designed as a base model to be modded to fit the class you are running it in, hence stripped.

Mitsubishi also has a technical paper on the Vortex Generator, showing why they bothered to install it on the MR. Hint, it involves more air flow over the rear wing creating more downforce. The link is here:

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/cor...004/16E_03.pdf

Yeah, the wing is just B.S. like you said. I don't know what those Mitsubishi engineers were thinking of. They should listen to you instead.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 05:23 PM
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Maybe if you paid attention you would have seen the topic was on the gurney flap, not the wing itself.

Although I believe SKILMATIC was mistaken in that post.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by occultworks
Maybe if you paid attention you would have seen the topic was on the gurney flap, not the wing itself.

Although I believe SKILMATIC was mistaken in that post.
I was responding to the point that the wing was/is worthless, which it is not. If I had the scientific data to back up the gurney flap/wickerbill I surely would have posted it also. I only contributed what I could, sorry it didn't satisfy you. I'll go back to lurking...

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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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Hey, no hard feelings meant. I just didn't see where anyone posted that the wing itself was pointless, just that the gurney flap is for normally everyday purposes. The info you provided does add to the basic discussion though, that of downforce. And how someone was incorrect in saying that the vortex generator does nothing.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
Very well noted. May I ask where you work as an engineer? My uncle is a mechanical engineer. He is the head mechanical engineer for Lockheed Martin in his division. He heads up a program called CCTT(aka Close Combat Tactical Training) its basically test equipment for the DoD. In a nutshell they are high priced combat video games.
That's interesting, my brother works at Lockheed Martin
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonz of fun
Notice I said 500+ as in over 500. Last time I checked People dont sell wet carbon for 500+. My thing is instead of pay thousands for a car to make it lighter why not use that for cams, new injectors, fuel pumps, and Alky injection.

The bottom line is if your in the position to spend thousands on items like that you should already have everything done to your car, so you can afford to spend money on stuff like that. But i doubt anyone has put $50,000+ into thier cars and if you have why are you even asking if i should or should not get it. Just get it if you have that kind of cash.
why don't you spend that money on driving lessong or track time instead? that will make you faster than cams will.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonz of fun
Look guy I am by far a racist. And if I offended you to buy neon so you can stand out im sorry. Would you rather I just agree with everything you say unchallenged. Doesnt anyone like a debat anymore???
Actually, I am the one you aimed the "neon" comment too. Which didn't offend me, I just took it as a childish an uniformed comment and ignored it.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonz of fun
Look guy I am by far a racist. And if I offended you to buy neon so you can stand out im sorry. Would you rather I just agree with everything you say unchallenged. Doesnt anyone like a debat anymore???
hahaha was a total joke. no one has a sense of humor anymore... everyone's so uptight.
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