Mitsubishi should of stuck with the Evo VI. After going to the Evo VII they couldn't win ****. I blame the AYC and ACD.

 

They don't use ayc/acd in the WRC car. They have much more advanced systems.

I blame the fact that the VII and VIII are huge compared to the VI.

 

hell yeah your exactly right! thats what I'm saying. Maybe about the fan of Mitsu is a little off, but on the point of buying a car because of HP and 1/10 second faster is a joke. The evolution has more then just amazing HP! the STI may have some bigger ***** in the engine but has no guts like the evo. The evo is ranked just below the Porshe 911 turbo for handeling. The evo was ranked number 4 for that. number 1 and 2 were a lotus and some other 100,000+ car. Evo has been ranked the best overall production car. So yeah go buy a 1/10 sec faster STI, still you can make up for that with a simple mod. Evolution has it all ***** and guts on the road.

 

Most people can't drive good enough to tell the difference anyway, I'd say both cars are great. I just wish the US EVO didn't cost 30k.

 

Great dude ... buy the car for whatever reason you like ... but it sounds to me like you are putting yourself up on a pedistal since you are such a true fan, while people that buy the evo for other reasons are posers. The truth is that nobody gives a rats as* whether one is a true fan or not ... so buy the car, swear up & down that you deserve it more because you have always been loyal to , and be done with it. Meanwhile I'll at you while ing my . Here's to the die hard KING! You are the man!

 

That too!!

 

We are only talking about the U.S. cars. I don't give a rat's a$$ if has the best quality in Europe, I am not buying a car in Europe. The quality only matters on what they deliver here. And lets not foget that for the past 30 years was hiding customer defect reports in a locker to make their quality look better, which throws the whole RoW results out the window anyways.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/...in226973.shtml
or
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_37/b3698126.htm
But, yes it is an opinion that the quality is bad. But it is an opinion based on proven, verifyable facts. It is not false propogation - there is more than enough body of evidence to support the view that has quality issues.
Is it history? Yes
Was it Chrysler's fault? Maybe - but they have been cooking the books for over 30 years.
Are they better now? Remains to be seen.

As far as JDpowers - go here:
http://www.jdpower.com/auto/pvs/auto.jsp#

Do The 'help me choose'. Pick Compact, Midsize, and fullsize cars. Then pick Mechanical Quality and Long Term Reliability as very important and everthing else as not important, and hit 'Update list'.

Where does Mistubishi land? Numbers 58, 59, and 60. This is out of 67. This indicates that Mitsu still has some issues that need to be worked. Argue that the quality issues are a figment of my imagination all you want, the facts speak otherwise.

Don't get me wrong and think I am bashing Mitsubishi, I love the Evo. And I will own one this summer. But don't tell me that Mitsu is the greatest builder of cars, or that I am propogating false information, when the facts prove otherwise. But I am willing to put up with some quatlity issues on a performance bargain like the Evo.

 

Please note: I am not claiming they are the greatest. However, they are by no means a low quality manufacturer.

1) Except for the Galant and the Eclipse (and now the Endeavor) which are built here, and the Australian-built Diamante, all cars are built in Japan. You'd better start paying attention to global quality. The Japanese, which suffered the most of the recall, still think provides great service. See below:

http://www.jdpower.co.jp/press/pre2002.html Scroll down to:"2002 Japan Customer Service Index (CSI) StudySM"


2) I find quoting J.D. Power laughable, note the sarcasm when I quoted them. All they do is surveys. The response rates are unknown(and based on tiny samples), the demographics are unknown, even geographics are unknown. In addition, they make no distinction between luxury and non-luxury and the questions on quality issues on the surveys are NOT cleraly defined.
What it all boils down to is: J.D Power really means diddley squat.
Surveys in fifferent coutries for the same cars yield completely different answers. Why? Demographics.

http://www.jdpa.com/studies_jdpower/...ID=674&CatID=1 (scroll to the bottom)


3) Oooooh a recall. Subaru did the same thing and they recalled just under a million cars in 1997. Given that they produce ar fewer cars than that recall was far more substatial in volume. The incident was far less publicised even though they had hidden the complaints as well. The reason for that is simple. Mitsubishi has been an easy target for the U.S. press thanks to the Normal plant harrassment lawsuit, it's notorious reputation during WW2 and the fact that used to be part of one of the world's largest corporations.

http://www.crash-worthiness.com/
http://www.uautono.com/recalls.html

What all this boils down to is who you let form your opinion and how much value you place on it.
The reality is: There are NO proven verifiable facts on qualityExcept if the same model of car keeps getting recalled - Ford Focus 11 has recalls to date, for example.)

In the end it is the individual experience that dictates if a consumer is loyal. If you can consistenly make the consumer happy, he/she will be more likely to buy again. This is what this thread is about. loyality.

 

My point about the quality, or performance for that matter, in the RoW is - It doesn't matter if I can't buy the car. For instace the English Evo VI/VII may have been the best Evo ever built. Doesn't matter since I can't legaly buy and drive one here in the U.S.

Your the one that quoted them - and your I took your sarcasm on the subject to indicate that JD Power IS something meaningfull to you:
I personally don't care about the JDpower stuff, pretty much for the reasons you just stated.

The recall isn't the root issue. The fact that Mistubishi has been hiding the customer complaints and defects from the government for 30 years to avoid recalls is the issue. It is unethical and shows that they know/knew they had problems.

OK - you can continue to believe that there are no facts that are proven or verifiable about quality, since you choose to believe that they are all faulty or skewed results.

I put my money were I feel it will get me the most value. I don't have loyality to a specific manufacturer just because they happen to have produced one nice car, or a bunch of nice cars in the past. I base my decision on what is available today, from the data that is available today. If the Evo was 200HP, I probably would not buy it and would end up with the STi.
If your buying a car just because it's a Mitsubishi, I say your a fool. The same as I would say if you were buying a car just because it's a Porsche, BMW, or Ferrari. As I said before, I buy cars because of how they drive, not who makes them.

 

This Board is a trip. I love that it is here, but there is more bickering on this board than I would ever imagine. I am a member a B15Sentra.net for my prior car was a 2001 Sentra SE. They love their car, and are so loyal to Nissan. This page, has alot of people that seem not to really like Mitsubishi, but like the lancer. It makes no sense. I see bickering over STi vs. Lancer. Who really cares, I was under the impression this is a Lancer Page. We talk about the Lancer, We are Mitsubishi geeks who love Mitsubishi's, just like how it was on B15Sentra.net. I love all cars, but this page is for those who admire and love one particualr car. The Lancer. I see many Subura fans on this page, which I find ironic, because if they were loyal to Subaru they would not be at this page. I had some info on the STi and some guys says I am wrong. He is wrong. Obviously I have found many of these people are not from the USA. The STi may possible be less expensive in other countries, but in the US for the STi with the AYC and six speed with the BBS rims and Carbon fiber wing your looking at 35K. I have heard from my friends at US Subie Dealers that a 5K mark up will be added at least in S. Cal. I have some friends at work that want to get the Subaru, but they know nothing about Subaru. I feel people should research a car and the company prior to spending so much for a car, so they really know what they are buying. I feel the people on this page are younger people, and maybe they can't afford this car, so they argue points about other cars they wish they can have like the STi. Which is cool to have dreams. Please realize that this car, the Lancer EVO is my "dream". Don't come on this board and try to knock us down just because you feel the STi is faster. It makes no sense, but to start uneeded arguements. Most people weather they buy the Lancer or Subie will never realize the full potential of their car on the street anyway. How many people are going to take their 30K plus car and go race it? Not many. Lets stick to what this board is for. A tribute to the Lancer, and Lancer EVO.

 

STi has AYC??
Listen man, the MSRP has already been released for the STi here in the U.S., do a search man.
$28580+$550 is invoice.
$30995+$550 is MSRP

 

Listen Man? see the attitude on this board, man......what MSRP is, and what you will pay, are too different things.......realize that. You are not going to pay MRSP for the STi...count on that. and I said AYC because mitsubishi people know that on the Lancer in Europe, so it was in relation to what the STi has, is all, come down man.......Jeeze

 

You're right, you may not be paying MSRP for an STI....... cause there are already dealers willing to sell for 400 over invoice. Most Subaru dealers do not handle things the same way as dealers handled the EVO.

Now give me some of what you're drinking.

 

Know plenty of people with paper in hand deposit paid in line for a STi for MSRP, believe it or not. Not saying there aren't gonna be people who's stupid enough to pay over MSRP, plenty of EVO buyers paid over MSRP to get their EVO too, what's your point?

Do you even know what the AYC does? And what the Subaru's DCCD is? Mitsu's AYC transfers drive torque between the left and right driving wheels as required automatically. WRX Sti comes with what's call DCCD(Driver Control Center Diff), u can set the system to transfer as much as 65 percent of available torque to the rear wheels to increase handling agility, kinda like a self make RWD. Totally different system. Totally different system.

 

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