Track or drag strip?
Originally Posted by Az3ar
And you happened to be an E30 M3 Owner 
i like the idea of the spec series for E30's sounds like fun..I'll keep mine at track spec, though. glad you're enjoying yours!
I mean it irritates me a little when some people (not all) bash people for drag racing their EVO. They just don't understand, or atleast care to attempt to understand the purpose of drag strips for most EVO owners. If somebody takes their EVO to the drags, it does not automatically mean they are passionate about drag racing. Some EVO owners take their cars to the drag strip like once every year, or only after installing mods or getting a new tune. Most EVO owners use the drag strip as a cheap tool to gauge their cars power output, this has nothing to do with being passionate about drag racing. The drag strip can be useful tool in gauging just how powerful your car is, and how good of a driver a person is in a straightline, why? Let's be HONEST here, road racing, autoxing, and drag racing are all respectaple forms of racing, but it quite apparent which form of racing is the most popular, has been and probably will always be, let's just say it's not allowed on these forums
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Bongo, if you think AutoX is exhilirating, you may have a heart attack on the road course the first time due to sheer excitement. Road racing makes autox feel the way autox makes drag racing feel: lame.
oh i am almost positive i will.
i was dying all summer to get out on a road course, but due to life's little B.S and then eventually a broken clutch, i wasn't able to make it.
next year though... next year...
i am planning on living at the beaver run track by my house.
Originally Posted by 3000ways
I mean it irritates me a little when some people (not all) bash people for drag racing their EVO. They just don't understand, or atleast care to attempt to understand the purpose of drag strips for most EVO owners. If somebody takes their EVO to the drags, it does not automatically mean they are passionate about drag racing. Some EVO owners take their cars to the drag strip like once every year, or only after installing mods or getting a new tune. Most EVO owners use the drag strip as a cheap tool to gauge their cars power output, this has nothing to do with being passionate about drag racing. The drag strip can be useful tool in gauging just how powerful your car is, and how good of a driver a person is in a straightline, why? Let's be HONEST here, road racing, autoxing, and drag racing are all respectaple forms of racing, but it quite apparent which form of racing is the most popular, has been and probably will always be, let's just say it's not allowed on these forums

Last edited by sonicnofadz; Nov 6, 2006 at 11:34 AM.
The guy that said drag racing is cheaper needs to think about it a different way. Yah we pay 250-300 a day, but we get close to two hours of track time, compared to your total of what like at most 3 minutes of track time....thats assuming you get 10-12 runs in.....drag racing is a waste of time...spent waiting there in the heat.
HPDE you get long breaks in between sessions for cool down, but you also get to see ferrari's and porsche and all kinds of other cool events going on. So it isn't as monotonous as drag racing seems to be. And I'd rather pay 300 for two hours of fun, rather then spend 30 bucks for 3 minutes of fun and 5 hours of waiting.....
Either way its your money and your car, so do what you like. But I think that fun/dollar is to be had at HPDE, even if it may appear to cost more.
Here in Cali we are blessed with beautifully maintained and well funded courses. No tumbleweeds here and these are real tracks, not some converted parking lot. Laguna Seca, Thunderhill, Buttonwillow, Infineon.....it takes a couple hours to get to some of them, but the drive is fun there and back as long as nothing breaks.
=P
HPDE you get long breaks in between sessions for cool down, but you also get to see ferrari's and porsche and all kinds of other cool events going on. So it isn't as monotonous as drag racing seems to be. And I'd rather pay 300 for two hours of fun, rather then spend 30 bucks for 3 minutes of fun and 5 hours of waiting.....
Either way its your money and your car, so do what you like. But I think that fun/dollar is to be had at HPDE, even if it may appear to cost more.
Here in Cali we are blessed with beautifully maintained and well funded courses. No tumbleweeds here and these are real tracks, not some converted parking lot. Laguna Seca, Thunderhill, Buttonwillow, Infineon.....it takes a couple hours to get to some of them, but the drive is fun there and back as long as nothing breaks.
=P
Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
I have to agree here, I take my car to the strip to test out new parts as well. However I also believe that it doesn't take much skill to drag race (if any at at all). If it DID take any kind of skill, you would see tons of drag racing schools (ala Skip Barber, Bondurant, etc.) but you don't because even a brain dead chimp could launch an Evo.
I've run 12.30@108, and I've seen people run 13.3@108. The difference in the two is skill.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Anyone who has actually gone to the drag strip knows it DOES take a lot of skill to be GOOD. It takes no skill to DO IT, but neither does autocrossing or road racing. Anyone can run laps, but it takes skill to do it more quickly than others. I contend that you have not actually spend much time at the drag strip if you think a brain dead chimp could launch. It takes a lot of skill to launch properly and maximize your ET for a given amount of power.
I've run 12.30@108, and I've seen people run 13.3@108. The difference in the two is skill.
I've run 12.30@108, and I've seen people run 13.3@108. The difference in the two is skill.

AWD Drag racing:
1. while at a dead stop, rev to two step limiter, your left foot is depressing the clutch pedal in.
2. keep right foot floored on gas pedal (don't let off ever)
3. point steering wheel straight
4. green light drops dump clutch
5. shift to redline in each gear while never letting off of gas pedal
6. repeat starting at step 1
This will yield the best time 99% of the time. Lots of skill indeed! You could almost just program the ECU to do this.
Last edited by sonicnofadz; Nov 6, 2006 at 12:41 PM.
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sonicnofadz - you have not idea what you are taking about. Yes, there are schools for dragracing. There are also NHRA lincenses you must have for the faster cars.
If you think its all that easy - what times have you run? You should have some pretty quick times and 1.60 60's
Racing is racing. To be good it takes a fair amount of knowledge, good platform, lots of skill, and some good'ol luck sometimes.
If you think its all that easy - what times have you run? You should have some pretty quick times and 1.60 60's
Racing is racing. To be good it takes a fair amount of knowledge, good platform, lots of skill, and some good'ol luck sometimes.
Sonic, I'd love you to go out and do that method repeatedly. Let me know how quickly your transfer case breaks. Let us know your times using this method, too...
Spend one day in the drag racing forum, and you realize how much skill is involved (or lacking in most) unless all of these people are worse off than brain dead monkeys...
Spend one day in the drag racing forum, and you realize how much skill is involved (or lacking in most) unless all of these people are worse off than brain dead monkeys...
With exhaust, intake and clutch my best was 13.4 sec (stock boost). To each to their own. I am a mechanic for an 8 second 2g AWD DSM that is strictly a drag car. To me there is way more skill involved in BUILDING the drag car than driving it. I do not have any delusions of actually considering drag racing as a real skill. People, there is no real strategy involved in drag racing. Yes it takes some time to learn how to get the best times out of your car, and mastering the launch, but other than that there is nothing to it. It is boring as hell to watch, and to me and many others, its a waste of clutch and tires. Its a straight line. Get over it. Its great for testing the car's acceleration! But I would never consider it a true motorsport.
By the way, I hope no one takes what I'm saying personal. I think that the so called "sport" of drag racing is mind numbingly dull. However many people that I work closely with love it. This does not make us enemies. Everyone has their own opinions about things...some people like soccer, some people prefer baseball instead. I rather watch either of two before mentioned sports before I watch two mullet clad rednecks fly down a straight piece of asphalt.
By the way, I hope no one takes what I'm saying personal. I think that the so called "sport" of drag racing is mind numbingly dull. However many people that I work closely with love it. This does not make us enemies. Everyone has their own opinions about things...some people like soccer, some people prefer baseball instead. I rather watch either of two before mentioned sports before I watch two mullet clad rednecks fly down a straight piece of asphalt.
Last edited by sonicnofadz; Nov 6, 2006 at 01:18 PM.
drag racing an Evo is lame sauce. There's hardly no talent or skill involved. What's even worse is drag racing on some back country road or "from a roll" on a highway. WOW you can push that square thing under your right foot to the floor and shift fast without turning the steering wheel!!111one!!! Wow you so talented! Amazing!!!
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Hate to break it to you but:
http://www.importdrag.com/
http://www.nhra.com/
http://www.ihra.com/
Its a motorsport. Ever heard of bracket racing? Ever try it? Its not that easy.
Yoda, you dont even know whats going on here.
http://www.importdrag.com/
http://www.nhra.com/
http://www.ihra.com/
Its a motorsport. Ever heard of bracket racing? Ever try it? Its not that easy.
Yoda, you dont even know whats going on here.
Agree, there is a lot of strategy involved in real drag racing. I can't believe you'd say otherwise if you "build" an 8-sec DSM. From staging on a pro tree (difficult and the difference between winning and losing) in heads up to dialing in and knowing what to do at the end of the track or how to cut a perfect light in bracket racing, there is tons involved in terms of skill and strategy.
Yoda truly has no idea what he's talking about. And don't think I'm just a drag race monkey - it is the motorsports I participate in the least between drag, auto-x, and road racing, but I do know the skill required to be good at it...
PS. 13.4 with those mods is a clear indication of why you don't think drag racing takes skill, because you have none. I ran 13.1 completely stock on my first try.
Yoda truly has no idea what he's talking about. And don't think I'm just a drag race monkey - it is the motorsports I participate in the least between drag, auto-x, and road racing, but I do know the skill required to be good at it...
PS. 13.4 with those mods is a clear indication of why you don't think drag racing takes skill, because you have none. I ran 13.1 completely stock on my first try.



