Full race copy T3 flanged manifold and downpipe for $150 on EBAY?!?
i duno about a lawsuit but i spoke to ssautochrome about buyin one of there products on ebay and they got introuble by ebay for using "HKS style" HKS reported them and is banned from ebay for a bit...
i wouldn't mind trying it... if i knew when/if it cracked this really is a 100% fullrace replicate... so i can just do the swap...
thats the kit i really want, but saving up 4500 is going to be challenging and hard to give away in one shot. lol
thats the kit i really want, but saving up 4500 is going to be challenging and hard to give away in one shot. lol
He's spending the money on a GT-40 and then bolting it to this craptacular piece of ****?
Does he have XS Power pistons, rods and crank too? I heard they are good to like 1000 whp and only cost like $50 for the kit. Is the turbo a cheap copy like his manifold is?
Although this looks half-way decent, I doubt it would hold up very well..
I do understand the need to save a few dollars here and there, but after paying 25-30k for a car, I'd prefer to do it right the first time and not take the chance on having a problem with quality or even fitment.
I can understand the honda guys, as many of them didn't pay much for their cars, and are on a tight budget, and ANYTHING is an improvement over what they start with.
Most of these cheap manifolds aren't actually that bad of a quality though, many are TIG welded, even robotic tig welding if theirs a large enough production run. The big problem is the quality of the raw materials they start with.. its one thing to knock off a design and look, something entirely different to start with the proper materials.
For me, my time is worth WAY more than the parts, and I refuse to waste my time doing things 2 and 3 times just to save a few dollars to start with. In the end you do end up spending the same money.
I do understand the need to save a few dollars here and there, but after paying 25-30k for a car, I'd prefer to do it right the first time and not take the chance on having a problem with quality or even fitment.
I can understand the honda guys, as many of them didn't pay much for their cars, and are on a tight budget, and ANYTHING is an improvement over what they start with.
Most of these cheap manifolds aren't actually that bad of a quality though, many are TIG welded, even robotic tig welding if theirs a large enough production run. The big problem is the quality of the raw materials they start with.. its one thing to knock off a design and look, something entirely different to start with the proper materials.
For me, my time is worth WAY more than the parts, and I refuse to waste my time doing things 2 and 3 times just to save a few dollars to start with. In the end you do end up spending the same money.
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You have no idea if this item is of bad quality or not. For $150, I think its definitely worth a try. I don't understand how Full-race could even have a case against these guys, just because the manifold is in the same shape as theirs, this means nothing. Does Mitsubishi have the right to sue Mazda, because Madza came out with a 4 door turbocharged 4 banger with AWD? Not really. Only time will tell if they actually hold up. My guess, is that if these were coated, and then braced (bolted to the block with welded strap steel), it would work just fine.
You have no idea if this item is of bad quality or not. For $150, I think its definitely worth a try. I don't understand how Full-race could even have a case against these guys, just because the manifold is in the same shape as theirs, this means nothing. Does Mitsubishi have the right to sue Mazda, because Madza came out with a 4 door turbocharged 4 banger with AWD? Not really. Only time will tell if they actually hold up. My guess, is that if these were coated, and then braced (bolted to the block with welded strap steel), it would work just fine.
Using your Mitsubishi / Mazda analogy, can I go buy an RS4 for the price of an Evo since they are both AWD 4 door sport sedans and therefore should cost the same?
You have no idea if this item is of bad quality or not. For $150, I think its definitely worth a try. I don't understand how Full-race could even have a case against these guys, just because the manifold is in the same shape as theirs, this means nothing. Does Mitsubishi have the right to sue Mazda, because Madza came out with a 4 door turbocharged 4 banger with AWD?
GM sues Chery (Chinese auto manufacturer) for making a car that LOOKED like a Daewoo (http://www.dexigner.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=590)
A lot of cell-phones look alike, right? Well apparently they aren't allowed to look A LOT alike:
Nokia Sues France's Sagem over Handset Design
(http://www.dexigner.com/product/news-g3070.html)
So you want to buy something that needs to be fixed before it is even installed? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Eh not exactly. Lets not forget we are comparing cars to a collection of pipes (bad analogy on my part). Making a case against some foreign manufacturer in China for welding pipes together is going to be a hard case to make indeed. I for one, am all about fixing up this piece of crap manifold (spend another $100-$200) and saving another $400-$500 from not spending it on a more expensive setup. There is no garauntee that this manifold is even similar in terms of collector design (since no one has any pics of it yet). The point is, plenty of people steal ideas, designs, and intellectual property (and many even get away with it). If someone can take another's idea and improve upon or make available for cheaper, more power to them. Its called competition, and technology wouldn't be where it is today without it.
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at the original post. You really think most major turbo kit companies are going to lower their price because of this?
Although this looks half-way decent, I doubt it would hold up very well..
I do understand the need to save a few dollars here and there, but after paying 25-30k for a car, I'd prefer to do it right the first time and not take the chance on having a problem with quality or even fitment.
I can understand the honda guys, as many of them didn't pay much for their cars, and are on a tight budget, and ANYTHING is an improvement over what they start with.
Most of these cheap manifolds aren't actually that bad of a quality though, many are TIG welded, even robotic tig welding if theirs a large enough production run. The big problem is the quality of the raw materials they start with.. its one thing to knock off a design and look, something entirely different to start with the proper materials.
For me, my time is worth WAY more than the parts, and I refuse to waste my time doing things 2 and 3 times just to save a few dollars to start with. In the end you do end up spending the same money.
I do understand the need to save a few dollars here and there, but after paying 25-30k for a car, I'd prefer to do it right the first time and not take the chance on having a problem with quality or even fitment.
I can understand the honda guys, as many of them didn't pay much for their cars, and are on a tight budget, and ANYTHING is an improvement over what they start with.
Most of these cheap manifolds aren't actually that bad of a quality though, many are TIG welded, even robotic tig welding if theirs a large enough production run. The big problem is the quality of the raw materials they start with.. its one thing to knock off a design and look, something entirely different to start with the proper materials.
For me, my time is worth WAY more than the parts, and I refuse to waste my time doing things 2 and 3 times just to save a few dollars to start with. In the end you do end up spending the same money.
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