You see here is my problem. I think it is great that many in the government want to help reduce pollution, but why is there such a crusade to go after the motorist and the auto industry who produce about 10% or less of the green house gases in the world. My point is that they are focusing so much attention and trying to introduce so much change on the auto industry and auto consumers and in my opinion not nearly focusing enough attention and trying to demand changes from the largest producers of green house gases in the world which is major factories and corporations. I mean all these new laws they are proposing to reduce green house gases from cars is great in spirit but THEY know it will not make any f*ckin' difference because automobiles just aren't large enough of the pollution problem to make a difference.

If they want to introduce changes that effect consumers and the auto industry, then that's great, but I sincerely hope they have a plan to introduce to make massive changes to the factories that account for a huge percentage of the pollution in the world, and what about countries like China and India, what are the major plans in the works to deal with those countries that produce a huge amount of green house gases and seriously couldn't give a f*ck about the ozone layer. So like I said, I am all for helping the ozone layer and if that means tighter emission laws, than so be it, but please don't ignore the major problems of green house gases.

An anology, a guy is married and is having major issues in his marriage. Two problems, one is that she hates the fact that he leaves the toilet seat up, but the biggest problem is that he cheats on her. So the guy tells his wife, "You know what, I want to save this marriage and I will start putting the toilet seat down." She says, "That's great, but what about the cheating?" Then he says, "We will take care of that later." Seriously would she really take him seriously? Probably not, and he will have a date with the divorce court judge pretty soon.

I hope I am getting my point across, and back on topic, there are ways around tighter emission laws. If I have to pass emissions, I find it just great that I know a shady mechanic named Carlos who also does smog checks. $150 and I pass emissions with flying colors no matter what, no questions asked. LOL.

 

Or here is another way to look at it. If all the cars in the United States were hybrid vehicles, there would still be little difference on the amount of pollution produced by the United States. When all these new reports started coming out focusing much more attention on the danger of green house gases, I held out hope that finally major players in the government would start to introduce changes that would make a real difference on depletion of the ozone layer, but just like I expected they are going after the easiest target, the auto industry. But you see that is where they are wrong, the auto industry is not an easy target and has just as much money and influence as any other major industry, and while they battle it out with the auto industry the real problems, the problems that produce most of the green house gases continue.

 

3 words... **** THE MAN

 

Point is, its coming from a source that can be grown. Oil's eventually gonna run out. Time to look for alternative ways. Damnit...I'm all for the environment, but I want to keep my combustion technology. E85 for me!

 

That sounds gay.

 

There are sooooo many misunderstandings about E85. When you look at the total impact environmental impact, E85 is NOT the answer. It takes lots of energy to create and transport E85(it can't be pipelined like oil; it must be trucked).

E85 is only popular due to the enormous lobby that is ADM and the corn growers.

E85 is a scam on our environment.

E85 is a scam as a "race fuel". Yes, it has a higher octane rating which makes for less knock, but it releases less energy. Which is why mileage is low on E85 and no tuner is jumping at it.

 

+2

 

You are hitting the nail on the head. The air travel industry is an huge polluter compared to autos. I never hear anyone talking about shutting that down!

 

I was waiting when someone's gonna say this.
On top of all your bullets, E85 is worse for the environment because it impacts soil which then impacts water and everything. Like you said, it's all about lobby and throwing dirt in the face of "us" sheeple that usually don't bother making any research.

I'm sure John Travolta will fly his jets on E85 when it's available

 

You are incorrect. You can put any power plant you want in that '68 Camaro any not have to worry about smog. That rule only applies to vehicles that fall under smog laws to begin with.

There are ways around the smog laws if you know what your doing.

There are ways to modify your cars with parts that are not CARB exempt and have it still be legal. You just have to go through the proper channels.

Get used to the idea, air quality laws will eventually be a nationwide thing. I guess people are going to fear what they don't understand.

 

Well first off you can make E85 from all sorts of products, it doesnt have to be just corn. Brazil uses mostly suger to make E85. Thats what they mostly use. They dont depend on foreign oil sources. There are many different grass and tree's and other natural sources that can produce E85. Know a subject before you post up on it.

 

OHH really, i guess you havent read the thread David Buschur posted up .......


https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&highlight=e85

yes you get less milage out of it but the benifits are way greater. It has the octane level of 105 but you only pay around $2.30 a gallon for it compared to almost $3.00 a gallon for crappy 91. Plus its clean for the enviorment.


WOW!! You are the one that really needs to do some reading!!

 

BTW, the U.S. cannot import Brazilian sugar cane inorder to make E85. (Thanks corn lobby!)

Also. No one here has said anyting about BioDiesel.

 

I was just using brazil as an example of them using not just corn to make E85. Sorry for not clerifying that.

 

i think a few people missed the point of the thread. it is not just about California. the bill in the Senate (S 1073) would adopt CA's already strict emissions standards to ALL 50 states which means states w/out emissions WILL be required to start doing emissions testing. the difference is that there will not be "smog" stations like in Cali where u can get a hookup from your homie Guido. for those tho don't know about Cali's current emissions std, if u don't pass u can never register that car in that state ever again.

all the states, however, have the option right now to start up their own federal emissions testing or choose the Cali style. Vermont has already agreed to go Cali style & there is a class action lawsuit by drivers there with funds backed by some automakers who wish to remain nameless.

My ? is, if the environment was in such danger in regards to cars why are we able to buy vehicles that produce a crapload of power with a total disregard for fuel efficiency & pollution? for example a Bugatti Veyron 16.4 with 1000hp/990ft-lbs TQ or maybe that new Rolls Royce Drophead Coupe with it's 6.75L twin turbo V8????????

also why is it that we are unable to get the REAL fuel efficient cars in the US?? the VW Lupo gets 84MPG but they won't sell it here. in the UK, i could've gotten my Land Rover with a 2.7L V6 turbodiesel & slapped on a $500 LPG kit (liquid pressurized gas injection) which breaks the laws of physics by giving me 400ft-lbs of torque AND achieving 47MPG on the highway!!!!!!

best of all-the Opel Eco-Speedster diesel was tested at the 24 Hour LeMans event & with an avg speed of 140MPH but it also maintained a shocking 113MPG!!! + it looks good... http://www.iceposter.com/posters/car..._Concept_2002/