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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 07:50 PM
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I have never experienced torque steer on the track, just on the street doing what I described a few posts above... roll in first, then get on it hard... bing, you're off in the direction pre-determined by the EVO!
Right, and that is not torque steer - that's a big problem that you should figure out.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 07:51 PM
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No, can't say that I have. Sometimes when I get on it from a 1st gear roll I can feel the tires struggling for grip for a moment but that's about the extent of it.
Yep, it is usually just for a moment in the Evo.... then (IMO) the ACD sorts it out....
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 07:51 PM
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ACD does not sort that out - it only activates when turning under power.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 07:52 PM
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You probably have a bit of front end push. Get Robert Fuller (RobiSpec) to hook you up. The car will be night and day with just a alignment and a few other parts parts. Hell... you could probably do a full coil over suspension you big baller.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Right, and that is not torque steer - that's a big problem that you should figure out.

Warrtalon, I know you are "the man" around here, but have you ever read a review of say, the Acura TL? FWD, 260HP...... and, "massive torque steer." That is not on the track, it is just under hard acceleration.

"It's not a problem, it's a feature."

Of course, it is also a car review, and I know how much stock some of you put in autojournalists.....
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by KawRider
You probably have a bit of front end push. Get Robert Fuller (RobiSpec) to hook you up. The car will be night and day with just a alignment and a few other parts parts. Hell... you could probably do a full coil over suspension you big baller.
Robi is an acquaintance of mine and I have rode shotgun with him around the track. I bet I could get him to admit the Evo has torque steer, LOL.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 07:58 PM
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I didn't say anything about it only being able to happen on track. I just said that was an example of where I've experienced the most on my 12-sec FWD Eclipse. I also got gobs of it with my AWD 1G Talon that ran low 12s when I put on a FWD trans for a few months. That thing was utterly useless in the first 2 gears, and it tracked all over the road. It was unsafe to get into boost in 1st and 2nd on the street unless I was all alone.

I would expect the TL to get torque steer - that makes sense. It is 2wd and has a lot of power. Neither your Civic nor your Evo fit that mold.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 08:02 PM
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I had similar issue in my VW with around 200 hp/tq. When boost came in it pulled to the right just as you are describing. I was told that it was torque steer and that it was more prominent in FWD cars because the front axles were usually not the same length. It seems that Wikipedia agrees.

I've never experienced it in the Evo, and actually noticed the lack of it when I first got the Evo. I had stepped out of the VW that had pretty bad torque steer and in to the Evo which seemed to have none. Now, if my tire pressures in the Evo are not 100% equal from side to side I get a slight pull to one side or another.

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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Neither your Civic nor your Evo fit that mold.
my old civic had 396wtq. that was the epitomy of torque steer!
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 08:05 PM
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Im going to have to agree with Warrtalon on this one. The Evo technically wont get "real" torque steer because not all of its power is sent to the front. What you describe I think is your toe is off alot or a combination of caster/camber out of whack. Quite a few evo's from the factory come with botched alignment jobs. Does your car also pull to the right just traveling down the road or does it wander some? I have been in a couple high horsepower evos rolling on in first and you can punch it and it just goes strait as an arrow. Maybe your just not accepting all the power the evo has over the GT3
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Yes, a Civic with 396wtq would have ridiculous torque steer.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Yes, a Civic with 396wtq would have ridiculous torque steer.
only on slicks though, just went to rev limiter smokin the tires till 4th on radials.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 08:20 PM
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I agree .. not torque steer. My first thought is a radial pull. Easy to check swap the front tires side to side. If it now pulls to the left...bingo . Swap the tire on the left now to the rear and if the thing still pulls to the left its the tire on the right front. Replace it along with the other front tire.

The second thought is a suspension problem like toe or camber. Camber on one side more likely being way off. If you have -1 on left front and 0 camber on right front the car will pull right under accel and drift left on decel.

The third thing to check is a hanging caliper on the right front or pad not releasing right. Ive seen pads be a tight fit on the caliper slides causing them to not release easily = slight drag on one side.

The other thing I'd check is the camber and toe on the rear. Weight shift under acceleration will accentuate a tendency to move the rear if not set up properly.

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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dbsears87
Im going to have to agree with Warrtalon on this one. The Evo technically wont get "real" torque steer because not all of its power is sent to the front. What you describe I think is your toe is off alot or a combination of caster/camber out of whack. Quite a few evo's from the factory come with botched alignment jobs. Does your car also pull to the right just traveling down the road or does it wander some? I have been in a couple high horsepower evos rolling on in first and you can punch it and it just goes strait as an arrow. Maybe your just not accepting all the power the evo has over the GT3

My car tracks perfectly straight all the time. I have the front camber maxed out, maybe that has aggravated the problem/feature. I have an EXCELLENT alignment guy, Darin at West End in Gardena.

I still contend this is torque steer. Isn't the Evo 100/0 FWD until the rear slips? Basically this is a FWD car unless you are begging for power. On the track, I am always in the power band (the few times I've tracked it) so I never felt any torque steer. Set me straight, show me the facts, links, etc....

or, maybe i'm just talking out my azz, cheeks flappin.

The car has torque steer! It is FWD biased, dammit!

But I still love it.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 09:24 PM
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No, the Evo has a 50/50 front/rear torque split 100% of the time. Regardless, that has nothing to do with torque steer as we've already mentioned. Torque steer is caused by the side-to-side differences, not front to rear.
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