Damn. When I bought my Mazdaspeed Miata, I got the Xede and vishnu abandoned that vehicle. Now I buy my EVO, sell my miata xede, & now I find out that vishnu abandoned the EVO. Rediculous. Just what better car are they trying to tune now... STIS?!

 

Vishnu has not abandoning anything, only expanding their product line into BMW tuning.

I have a Vishnu dyno tune (picked my own exhaust parts) and it runs 12.2 - this might be a bit slower than advertised but I dont launch the car like I hate it which is costing me time Im sure.

The car is simply flawless, stock filter, intake, just a TBE and tune. I have 20k on this setup and could not be happier. If I was not selling the car I would be checking out turbo upgrades though as the need for HP is addicting though.

 

it would also be nice if someone from vishnu post on here to let us know that, they arent going to abandon the evo's

 

Back in June of '06, I bought the Vishnu v380 which is just the mail-in flash without a TBE. It felt great, and then about about 2 months later, I started logging data, and found that it was knocking pretty bad in the midrange and top end (frequent knocksum spikes of 5, and occasional spikes of 10-15). Its supposed to be a safe tune for 91 octane, and I run 92 octane. The timing was very conservative, so it must have been a combination of too much boost with too little fuel. The boost was somewhat inconsistent too. Sometimes when I would stab the throttle at 4000-5000 rpm, the boost would peak and hold at 24-25 psi which was 1-2 psi higher than is was supposed to be. I had to make some mods to the tune using ECUFlash to get the knock and boost under control. For the price, I'd hardly say its worth it. Get a TBE from wherever you want, and then get tune from one of the more progressive tuners who tune with ECUFlash (where many more tuning parameters are available compared to ECUtek or any other tuning interface).

 

Vishnu hasn't abandoned the Evo market at all! I had my car tuned by Shiv a couple months ago. Like others have said, they are just spending a lot of time on other forums for turbo Bimmers and now the new turbo Mini.

I have a v400 on my IX, and it went from 225whp stock to 300whp and 309wtq Dyno Dynamics. All I have is their standard exhaust and Shiv's custom tuned flash.

Car should run 12.20s-12.30s@111-112mph on 93 octane pump gas with a nice sixty foot.

If you're worried about boost variance in extreme temperature changes, get a manual boost controller instead. My Forge UNOS is rock solid.

 

Acutally Evo IX Fuel pump alot better than VIII.. i belive so

 

 

Well thanks everyone for the responses. In regards to the person saying that I was a "noob" for not understanding the differences in stages and that $6000 was off, This is the quote from AMS I received:


AMS-EVO Stage ... AMS Stage 1 for an EVO IX With Flash:
Cone Style K&N Intake filter with Adapter plate, AMS Stainless Steel 3"
catback exhaust, Walbro 255 LPH High pressure pump, Autometer boost gauge
with Carbon Fiber Cup and an In House AMS Flash on the Dyno using ECU
TEK
1 1,300.00 1,300.00T
AMS-EVO Stage II AMS EVO VIII upgraded Front Mount Intercooler. 3" Stainless Steel Down
Pipe. Upgraded polished Lower intercooler Pipe. 4 NGK BRP7ES plugs. 3" high
Flow Cat.
1 1,300.00 1,300.00T
1 Misc Auto Parts GSC EVO STAGE 1 Camshafts 650.00 650.00T
1 AMS/TMS T1 He... AMS/TMS T1 Headstuds 249.95 249.95T
1 AMS-EVO Motor... AMS EVO VII/VIII/IX Front Motor Mount insert 45.00 45.0 0T
1 Exedy Stage II Exedy Stage II for Evo VIII 05952 625.00 625.00T
3 Red Line MT-90 Red Line MT-90 8.95 26.85T
1 Red Line Shock P... Red Line H/D Shockproof Gear Lube 8.95 8.95T
1 ATF Automatic Trans. Fluid 2.79 2.79T
1 SS EVOVIII Clutc... Speed Source Evo VII Clutch Line 55.00 55.00T
5 AMSOIL 10w40 AMSoil 10w40 Sythentic Oil 6.90 34.50T
1 MZ690116 Oil Filter 5.87 5.87T
1 Labor Stage 1 INSTALL 370.50 370.50
1 Labor Stage 2 INSTALL 195.00 195.00
1 Labor Install Cams and Headstuds 468.00 468.00
1 Labor Swap Front Motor Mount 234.00 234.00
1 Labor Swap out clutch for EVO IX including ACD Bleeding and SS clutch line 741.00 741.00
1 Labor Oil change 19.50 19.50
1 AMS Flash AMS custom Flash on the dyno - Included in stage 1 0.00 0.00
Page 1
Estimate
Date
5/31/2007
Estimate #
1373
Name / Address
estimate
Automotosport Inc.
2440 East Oakton Street
Arlington Heights, IL 60005
Tel. (847) 709-0530
Fax (847) 290-1451
Project
Total
Subtotal
Sales Tax (0.0%)
Qty Item Description Cost Total
1 Shop Supplies shop supplies 75.00 75.00T
1 oil disposal fee oil disposal fee 6.00 6.00
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$6,412.91


SO it wasn't wrong, and I do know the difference between the stages and what to expect from them. My original question was simply for people with the v400 package and how it felt. I originally asked AMS to quote me something that would give me around 300-350whp. That is what they sent me, I know not all of it is necessary but I'm sure they included parts they thought would work well together and provide even more than what I was looking for.

In regards to Vishnu abandoning the Evo market, I emailed Dustin and here's what he said:

There is a funny thing about being an automotive tuner, when you are the one making all of the ground breaking developments everyone loves you. However, as soon as you have won 1 lap of america, and broken a good number of records, there isn't much left to do, or develop for that matter. This is our story, and it has been for quite some time. We are always one of the very first to market, and always make top quality products. We make the products that shape the market. One thing we wont do, is make parts that wont be used by the every day driver. A 1,000hp evo may be fun, but in all reality, who wants a car they can't actually drive. I know I certainly don't.


And this is when we come to the term "abandonment." We have heard this term from the Miata guys, the Subaru guys, and now the Evo guys. For some reason, if you refuse to make parts that simply do not make sense (like 7,000hp FWD evos) then all of the sudden you are labeled as the company that abandoned the community, and no one ever remembers everything that you contributed to get the after market to where it is today.


So to answer your question, our support is second to none, which is something we pride ourselves in.


With the Flash you are always welcome to send it back to us with a dyno chart, if you feel that adjustments need to be made, however the flashes are normally so spot on that it is rare to need any major adjustments.


Sorry this was a little long, but it strikes a personal cord when I hear people saying that we have abandoned a market.

I thank the people that gave their insight as to what they thought of the v400 package. The AMS stage 1 includes a boost gauge and fuel pump, I have the gauges already and from what I read, a fuel pump is more of a precaution at the 300whp level. So my next step is to ask the people with the stage 1 Evo IX's, what kind of whp are you making?.

 

My mod list

3" AMS Turbo back exhaust (no cat)
AMS cone filter/adapter
AMS tune on 93 Octane
AMS MBC

331WHP

 

im rocking a vishnu stage 2 (V550) gt30 (3076) exede, smart

and love it. make mad power and fun as hell to drive go with what you are set on. if its not for you lesson learned. pricey but learned

 

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Vishnu IX V400 consists of: Xflash ECU flash, downpipe, hi-flow catcon; and catback exhaust. $1995/ NO installation.

You're original post makes it sound that AMS' comparable offering is $6k. The package you got quoted for offers MUCH more. (mostly stuff you don't even need)

Just break down the price for their flash, dp, cb, cat-con if you're truely looking to make a proper comparison. AMS's price= $1630/ no install. And their flash includes dyno time.

Considering your location, seems like an obvious choice, doesn't it??

 

hey guys, kinda on/off subject:
if the vishnu flash only can do 380bhp, how come the other tuner flashers only dont do that too?

 

There is a Vishnu forum in the vendor section that they monitor and respond to directly.

 

If you visit the Vishnu specific forum over in the vendors section, I believe you will find that this topic was recently addressed and that there are dyno sheets to back the claims. I am running the V400 and all of my 400 flywheel ponnies are there, no dyno run at the moment but no question that it is really making the power!

 

380 bhp is roughly 270-290 whp depending on the dyno. Stock Evo's usually put down around 230-250 whp. So the v380 advert is effectively claiming about a 40 whp gain on a IX. That's pretty much at the limit of what can be extracted from a stock Evo on pump gas, so its very good. However, any *compentent* tuner can come within 5 whp of that.