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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 06:00 AM
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lowered evos with bigger rear sway

so i bought the H&R 27mm sway bar from Tire Rack and installed it. now my car is lowered about 2" all around. now here is the issue, it hits my control arms over certain bumps.

anyone else have this issue?

im going to get some perrin endlinks and try to adjust them so they dont hit but im not sure if it will work. and i would really rather not

1. make it higher
2. get rid of this fantastic bar

anyone know of smaller stronger aftermarket control arms?

*** mods i ask u to please not move this to the suspension forums because i never get enough people looking at it there. thanks
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 08:43 AM
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Shot with Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL at 2007-07-24

someone just told me that the control arms are forged, is this true?

by the way, this is not my bar. i took this pic off the perrin website
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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My sway bar was hitting when I installed it. Then I adjusted my endlinks (Perrin) and i don't have any more problems. Sounds like the endlinks may help you
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:02 AM
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Try the endlinks, otherwise a smaller diameter bar...
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:26 AM
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i got some perrin endlinks on the way. if they dont work, not sure what i will do. the bar makes the car feel sooooooooooooo good. so i would rather not get rid of it.
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:29 AM
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Holy crap, you are lowered 2"??? Whoa!

PS. The feeling you get from the bar is a false impression of improved handling. It is mainly removing grip from the rear.
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:32 AM
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how much better does a 27mm bar feel over a 26mm, 25mm, 24mm

I'm looking into getting a rear sway bar myself. I live in the city so probably can't go too big. Plus I visit the parents in East Amherst, NY (and Buffalo roads ain't that great). I heared that folks like the 24mm Hotchkis on the middle setting (the new version of the bar)...

I would'nt do any "notching" if I were you. I know you've thought about it
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Holy crap, you are lowered 2"??? Whoa!

PS. The feeling you get from the bar is a false impression of improved handling. It is mainly removing grip from the rear.
yes but its stining up the chasie and it feels fantastic!!! there is a notable difference between the stock 22mm and the H&R 27mm. and im sure i will feel the new end links as well.

and 2" isnt all that much. i dont think my car is any lower than your is war. do u have any pics of ur car so i can see if it is or not?
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 4-BNGR
how much better does a 27mm bar feel over a 26mm, 25mm, 24mm

I'm looking into getting a rear sway bar myself. I live in the city so probably can't go too big. Plus I visit the parents in East Amherst, NY (and Buffalo roads ain't that great). I heared that folks like the 24mm Hotchkis on the middle setting (the new version of the bar)...

I would'nt do any "notching" if I were you. I know you've thought about it
first off y are u giggleing about this? there are different sizes for a reason. the bigger the bar, the more oversteer it will induce.

and whats "notching" ? and if ur talking about cutting the bar, i sure as **** have not. thats retarded.
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Holy crap, you are lowered 2"??? Whoa!

PS. The feeling you get from the bar is a false impression of improved handling. It is mainly removing grip from the rear.

Say what? Sway Bars reduce "body roll"... why the loss of grip? Elaborate...
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:43 AM
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Yes, that is a forged piece, just remember, it's aluminum, a softer metal than steel. Just because it's forged doesn't mean that steel won't dent it either.
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Originally Posted by deadbeatrec
first off y are u giggleing about this? there are different sizes for a reason. the bigger the bar, the more oversteer it will induce.

and whats "notching" ? and if ur talking about cutting the bar, i sure as **** have not. thats retarded.

That's what I'm getting at. For your application, how do you know that a 24mm bar would not be better than the 27mm bar? The function of the bar is to reduce
"body roll". They reason for the proportional increase in oversteer is attributable to the lack of a matching front sway bar.

Brilliant, as to not cutting the bar. I was obviously joking (aka) busting *****...
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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Deadbeatrec, 2" is HUGE. That's _way_ too much of a drop on an Evo. Even 1.5" is too low. I do have a lot of pics of mine you can see in my suspension install review thread and all my racing threads. Mine is only lowered a little over an inch up front. Also, you don't usually lower the same amount front and rear.

4-BNGR, that's way too simplistic to say a stiffer rear bar "reduces body roll." Rear sway bars are not to be used by themselves. They are meant to be added in conjunction with a COMPLETE suspension setup that has proper damping (nice shocks), proper spring rates (mated to the valving of the shocks), proper alignment, proper corner balancing, and proper bushings. You don't even need to upgrade the rear bar on the Evo if you get all the above things working together nicely. For instance, my Vishnu/Gerrard Ohlins setup utilizes all the stock bars (front sway, rear sway, front STB, etc) and is blisteringly fast. That doesn't mean there aren't other awesome setups that use a rear bar (Mueller and Robi are examples), but they combine them with other suspenion parts that are designed to work together based off track testing and experience. Just adding a rear bar, especially one as big as 27mm, reduces overall grip by loosening the rear more than it adds grip from lessening body roll.
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Deadbeatrec, 2" is HUGE. That's _way_ too much of a drop on an Evo. Even 1.5" is too low. I do have a lot of pics of mine you can see in my suspension install review thread and all my racing threads. Mine is only lowered a little over an inch up front. Also, you don't usually lower the same amount front and rear.

4-BNGR, that's way too simplistic to say a stiffer rear bar "reduces body roll." Rear sway bars are not to be used by themselves. They are meant to be added in conjunction with a COMPLETE suspension setup that has proper damping (nice shocks), proper spring rates (mated to the valving of the shocks), proper alignment, proper corner balancing, and proper bushings. You don't even need to upgrade the rear bar on the Evo if you get all the above things working together nicely. For instance, my Vishnu/Gerrard Ohlins setup utilizes all the stock bars (front sway, rear sway, front STB, etc) and is blisteringly fast. That doesn't mean there aren't other awesome setups that use a rear bar (Mueller and Robi are examples), but they combine them with other suspenion parts that are designed to work together based off track testing and experience. Just adding a rear bar, especially one as big as 27mm, reduces overall grip by loosening the rear more than it adds grip from lessening body roll.
I agree on the "proper suspension route". Adding a 27mm rear sway, by itself, is just gonna creat a "****" of oversteer (and even the strut tower brace will be overmatched to prevent this change). That's why I think the 27mm is overkill
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:57 AM
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Warr, u must use photobucket which my server was recently blocked from. so i cant seem them. imageshack is pretty much the only one i know of right now that i can view
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