EVO based off of Lancer or Lancer Based off of EVO?
Aug 20, 2003, 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by jemm
That car (its called the "Project Magnum") was driven in local local rallies, various mixed surface sprints and dexterity challenges. Its power/traction & smaller wheelbase + the awesome skills of its driver (R.Rierie) has allowed it to win many a dexterity!!!!
here are some pics :
http://www.wheelsjamaica.com/wheels_...;threadid=7809
maybe Wreckleford can share some light on its internals. I don't have much details. Last i heard the owner defected to subaru.
That car (its called the "Project Magnum") was driven in local local rallies, various mixed surface sprints and dexterity challenges. Its power/traction & smaller wheelbase + the awesome skills of its driver (R.Rierie) has allowed it to win many a dexterity!!!!
here are some pics :
http://www.wheelsjamaica.com/wheels_...;threadid=7809
maybe Wreckleford can share some light on its internals. I don't have much details. Last i heard the owner defected to subaru.
I have a picture of the engine bay somewhere but I wouldn't know where to find it. I don't know a lot about this car. It's seems to be the perfect dexterity car, fast, agile and can spin like a gig
It has also been used and abused.
Aug 20, 2003, 08:44 AM
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Hi,
OK if you put it that way, then yes the USDM is of lower spec compared to the JDM model, but I'm of the opinion that you exaggerate when you said Mitsu
slapped some parts on a Lancer and called it the USDM Evo.
Remember, this is only v1.0 of the USDM Evo. Things are just going to get better for you guys...
OK if you put it that way, then yes the USDM is of lower spec compared to the JDM model, but I'm of the opinion that you exaggerate when you said Mitsu
slapped some parts on a Lancer and called it the USDM Evo.Remember, this is only v1.0 of the USDM Evo. Things are just going to get better for you guys...
Originally posted by gtr
I was being scarastic on the comment on cheapest and lightest since it was this mentality of building the first Evolution.
You misunderstood. My USDM Evo is a stripped down car of your JDM version of the evo. We here in the U.S. had some black box engine change/tuned for emissions. We have no ACD, no AYC, no Front LSD, no auto climate control, Fat seats for us larger people ,a stereo not even comparable to yours and a goofy huge antenna.
Our bumpers are even different. Take a look at the rear bumper. The aftermarket exhause made for your JDM version will not work on our USDM Evo due to our larger bumper. Now i just hope our rear bumper is designed ok so it doesn't create sorts of rear lift at high speeds. However I like our USDM evo bumper better
I was being scarastic on the comment on cheapest and lightest since it was this mentality of building the first Evolution.
You misunderstood. My USDM Evo is a stripped down car of your JDM version of the evo. We here in the U.S. had some black box engine change/tuned for emissions. We have no ACD, no AYC, no Front LSD, no auto climate control, Fat seats for us larger people ,a stereo not even comparable to yours and a goofy huge antenna.
Our bumpers are even different. Take a look at the rear bumper. The aftermarket exhause made for your JDM version will not work on our USDM Evo due to our larger bumper. Now i just hope our rear bumper is designed ok so it doesn't create sorts of rear lift at high speeds. However I like our USDM evo bumper better
Aug 20, 2003, 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by NOVA EVO
In the US, it's called the Lancer Evolution, but overseas, it's just the Evolution VIII...bizarro...
Auto manufacturers also use different names in order to get a better insurance loss rating, which makes the car more attractive. Nissan did this with the Altima when it came out years ago...they kept the old "Stanza" name on the rear of the car at first because the Stanza had a really good rating. Perhaps Mitsubishi is doing the same thing with the Evo...after all, insuring a "Lancer" is cheap!
In the US, it's called the Lancer Evolution, but overseas, it's just the Evolution VIII...bizarro...
Auto manufacturers also use different names in order to get a better insurance loss rating, which makes the car more attractive. Nissan did this with the Altima when it came out years ago...they kept the old "Stanza" name on the rear of the car at first because the Stanza had a really good rating. Perhaps Mitsubishi is doing the same thing with the Evo...after all, insuring a "Lancer" is cheap!
was not able to call it the Evo is because Compaq ( Now HP) has the US trademark for the name Evo for their laptops.
Aug 20, 2003, 09:26 AM
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Let me just add my thought on this topic:
Originally posted by Lan Evo
The Lancer series exists way before the EVO series (starting 92, CD9A chassis). The CD9A EVO GSR was developed based on the existing Lancer GSR chassis with the addition of the 4G63 and the corresponding AWD system. So goes the EVO II and EVO III, which also based on the similar based platform, with a different chassis code of CE9A.
Then in mid-late 1995, the new body Lancer (5G Mirage) was debut and that is BEFORE the production of EVO IV (CN9A).
The R&D of EVO VII was NOT in effect (due to shortage of fund AND the recall scandal) after the current generation Lancer was developed. It took Mitsubishi over 2 years to get the EVO VII on the market...
Mitsubishi generates the majority of its revenue by selling the "bread-and-butter" models like regular Lancer and Galant. Logically speaking, do you think its financially feasable for a car company to develop a platform for a model with small target market rather than another model with much much bigger one?
I stick with my statement, and I don't see anything proving me incorrect with hard facts.
The Lancer series exists way before the EVO series (starting 92, CD9A chassis). The CD9A EVO GSR was developed based on the existing Lancer GSR chassis with the addition of the 4G63 and the corresponding AWD system. So goes the EVO II and EVO III, which also based on the similar based platform, with a different chassis code of CE9A.
Then in mid-late 1995, the new body Lancer (5G Mirage) was debut and that is BEFORE the production of EVO IV (CN9A).
The R&D of EVO VII was NOT in effect (due to shortage of fund AND the recall scandal) after the current generation Lancer was developed. It took Mitsubishi over 2 years to get the EVO VII on the market...
Mitsubishi generates the majority of its revenue by selling the "bread-and-butter" models like regular Lancer and Galant. Logically speaking, do you think its financially feasable for a car company to develop a platform for a model with small target market rather than another model with much much bigger one?
I stick with my statement, and I don't see anything proving me incorrect with hard facts.
Aug 20, 2003, 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by sccavee
I believe the reason was not able to call it the Evo is because Compaq ( Now HP) has the US trademark for the name Evo for their laptops.
I believe the reason
was not able to call it the Evo is because Compaq ( Now HP) has the US trademark for the name Evo for their laptops.
Lancer Evo
Lancer Evolution
Lancer Evolution VII
Lancer Evolution VIII
Aug 20, 2003, 10:27 AM
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They couldn't register just "Evolution", however.
It's the sole reason why the US has "Lancer Evolution" trunk badge on top of one another, as opposed to Lancer on one side and Evolution on the other. (find a pic of a JDM trunk and you'll see what I mean).
That's also why the little gauge cluster in our Evo's read "Lancer" instead of "Evolution"... damn copyright laws.
It's the sole reason why the US has "Lancer Evolution" trunk badge on top of one another, as opposed to Lancer on one side and Evolution on the other. (find a pic of a JDM trunk and you'll see what I mean).
That's also why the little gauge cluster in our Evo's read "Lancer" instead of "Evolution"... damn copyright laws.
Aug 20, 2003, 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by zstryder
They couldn't register just "Evolution", however.
They couldn't register just "Evolution", however.
Yes, DaimlerChrysler has a longstanding application (filed in 1994) pending for the US trademark on "Evolution" when used for automobiles. Maybe the reason it hasn't received a registration number yet is that Mitsubishi has been contesting it all these years.
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Aug 20, 2003, 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by zstryder
That's also why the little gauge cluster in our Evo's read "Lancer" instead of "Evolution"... damn copyright laws.
That's also why the little gauge cluster in our Evo's read "Lancer" instead of "Evolution"... damn copyright laws.
Aug 20, 2003, 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by gtr
Interesting. I learn something new everyday. I always wonder why it says lancer instead of evolution.
Interesting. I learn something new everyday. I always wonder why it says lancer instead of evolution.
Aug 21, 2003, 12:01 PM
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Maybe the reason it hasn't received a registration number yet is that Mitsubishi has been contesting it all these years.
Maybe the reason it hasn't received a registration number yet is that Mitsubishi has been contesting it all these years.
Aug 21, 2003, 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by GPTourer
I don't see how the insurance thing would work. Your insurance company is going to ask you what kind of Mustang you have, so Mustang Cobra is going to hurt more then Mustang Coupe (V6), so why would Stanza Altima, be any safer then just Altima?
I don't see how the insurance thing would work. Your insurance company is going to ask you what kind of Mustang you have, so Mustang Cobra is going to hurt more then Mustang Coupe (V6), so why would Stanza Altima, be any safer then just Altima?
Aug 21, 2003, 02:19 PM
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BTW, my wife's car is a Matrix...the owner's manual says Corolla Matrix on the cover, and the VIN comes up as a Corolla on my auto insurance. The Matrix is really a Corolla with a wagon/hatchback body on it. 
Aug 21, 2003, 08:46 PM
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Now is that the Matrix with the 1ZZ-FE from the Corolla or the 180 HP (code fails me currently) motor from the Celica GT-S? I wonder if they'd show up differently based on motor since I know the Matrix XR5 (I hope that's the fast one) shares so many underpinnings with the Celica.
Aug 22, 2003, 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by NOVA EVO
BTW, my wife's car is a Matrix...the owner's manual says Corolla Matrix on the cover, and the VIN comes up as a Corolla on my auto insurance. The Matrix is really a Corolla with a wagon/hatchback body on it.
BTW, my wife's car is a Matrix...the owner's manual says Corolla Matrix on the cover, and the VIN comes up as a Corolla on my auto insurance. The Matrix is really a Corolla with a wagon/hatchback body on it.
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