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is the 4B11T a better motor?

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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 4g63smokinall4s
1.. 87 wasnt the first year the 4g was put in a car
2.. yea i said that already
3... no i doesnt notice anything

you dont have to get moody cause u have one.. we all know the 4G is better
4g63 was made in the first time in 1987 in japan . for the Galant vr4.
fact.

other 4g was before but those are not 4g63's.
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:59 AM
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the 4b11 is a perfectly square motor with a bore and stroke of 86x86 and also has valve timing on both the intake and exhaust cams.....come to think about it the 4b11 is exactly like the k20
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 09:05 AM
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This a familiar argument. ...but before it was the Honda B series to K series motors.
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 09:19 AM
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Here is some info I got from the internet.


4G63T

The 4G63 was a 1997 cc version. (85mm Bore x 88 mm Stroke) SOHC and DOHC were produced. The DOHC version was introduced in 1987 in the Japanese market Galant VR-4 and came turbocharged or naturally aspirated. It is found in various models including the 1988-92 Galant VR-4 and the U.S. market 1990-1999 Eclipse.

The SOHC version was used in Mitsubishi Galant models until 1993. It has 76 kW of output and 157 NM of torque at 4750 rpm.

Also the SOHC version is produced until the late 90s and early 2000 and it is used in Mitsubishi cars like the Montero and the 2.0L 2-door Pajero with an output of 101kw at 4700 rpm.

The Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon and Plymouth Laser introduced the DOHC turbocharged intercooled version to the U.S. in 1989 through Diamond Star Motors, a joint venture between Mitsubishi Motors and the Chrysler Corporation. From 1990 to late April 1992 came beefier rods and the use of 6 bolts to secure the flywheel to the crankshaft; May 1992 to 2006 Evolution versions have lighter rods and use 7 bolts to secure the flywheel to the crankshaft. They are referred to as the "six bolt" and "seven bolt" engines, respectively.

Output for the 2003 Japanese/US Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution is 271 hp (202 kW) at 6500 rpm with 273 ft·lbf (370 N·m) of torque at 3500 rpm. It has a cast iron engine block and aluminum DOHC cylinder head. It uses multi-point fuel injection, has 4 valves per cylinder, is turbocharged and intercooled and features forged steel connecting rods. With the release of the Lancer Evolution IX ( 286 hp @ 6500rpm, 289ft*lb of @ 3500rpm, 7000 rpm redline), it has received Mitsubishi's MIVEC variable valve timing system, which gives smoother power delivery and a flatter torque curve.

In the United Kingdom, a special Lancer Evolution, the FQ-400, produces 302.13 kW (405.2 hp), from a 4G63 engine. At 202.6 hp (151.3 kW) per liter, it has possibly the highest specific output per liter of any production engine.

Its turbocharged variant, 4G63T (also sometimes referred to simply as the 4G63), has powered Mitsubishi vehicles in World Rally Championships for years in the Mitsubishi Galant VR-4, Lancer Evolution, Carisma GT and Lancer WRC04. It was the powerplant of the Lancer Evolution when Tommi Mäkinen won his four sequential WRC championships.


4B11T

Peak power and torque figures of 206 kW and 422 N·m are for Japanese market Lancer Evolution models and figures of 217 kW and 407 N·m are for US market models.

The 4B11T is the first engine in the Lancer Evolution series that uses a die-cast aluminium cylinder block versus the cast-iron block used in the previous turbocharged 4G63 engine that powered all previous models. The engine weight has been reduced by 12 kg (26 lb) compared to the 4G63, even with the addition of a timing chain instead of a belt and MIVEC continuous variable valve timing on both the intake and exhaust camshafts (the 4G63 had MIVEC valve timing & lift switching type on the intake only). A revised turbocharger offers up to 20-percent quicker response at lower engine speeds compared to previous 4G63. The 4B11T offers a broader torque curve, producing more torque than the 4G63 at all engine speeds, helped by the engine's square bore and stroke design (both measure 86.0 mm). Redline starts at 7,000 rpm, with a fuel cutout at 7,600 rpm to protect the engine.

A semi-closed deck structure, an integrated ladder frame and four-bolt main bearing caps contribute to engine strength, durability and lower NVH levels. Unlike the 4G63, the 4B11T does not use a balancer shaft. The semi-floating pistons of the 4G63 have been replaced with a fully floating pistons for the 4B11T. Aluminium is also used for the timing chain case and cylinder head cover. The engine features an electronically controlled throttle, an isometric short port aluminium intake manifold and the stainless steel exhaust manifold is positioned at the rear of the engine. The use of a direct-acting valvetrain eliminates the need of the roller rocker arm configuration previously used in the 4G63. The 4B11T features built-up hollow camshafts and its valve stem seals are integrated with the spring seats. The internal components of the 4B11T engine have been reinforced to withstand high levels of boost.
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SWOLN
This a familiar argument. ...but before it was the Honda B series to K series motors.
sort of but you have to look at cast iron vs aluminum..sleeving..stock bottom end power ..drop in set ups..

which all leads to power to dollar amount...and i think the 4g63 wins .
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by gamebred26
sort of but you have to look at cast iron vs aluminum..sleeving..stock bottom end power ..drop in set ups..

which all leads to power to dollar amount...and i think the 4g63 wins .
Sleeving is something that was sucha hassle. If the 4B11 has to result to that, then yes, the 4G63 wins.

I like the head design of the 4B11 though, even if there was no dual MIVEC set-up.
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 10:52 AM
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Many discussions already on this, don't need an additional one.

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