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Originally posted by MP5
You think some of those SAFC controlled DSMs might still have the fuel controller attached??
You think some of those SAFC controlled DSMs might still have the fuel controller attached??
So probably not.
But there are cars other than 2G turbo DSMs that use the same ECU connectors.
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I bet you could find a turbo back as well with the end hanging down 
I think Vishnu's stuff is good quality and no I don't ever look at it and not going for the bling bling factor. Might still do the H&S Turboback still waiting though.
I think Vishnu's stuff is good quality and no I don't ever look at it and not going for the bling bling factor. Might still do the H&S Turboback still waiting though.
Originally posted by MP5
You think some of those SAFC controlled DSMs might still have the fuel controller attached??
You think some of those SAFC controlled DSMs might still have the fuel controller attached??
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The Shiv bandwagon is certainly overloaded these days. I can't fathom why you all throw money at someone and something that gives you marginal gains for a highly inflated price.
FWIW, I drive (as Shiv so elloquently put it) a 13yr old pile. I drive it every day, and I average 23mpg city driving with a lot of foot on the floor 20psi action along the way. There is incredible smoothness in the way the car performs too. That should be impossible according to most of the people on this board though. I mean, what the hell, my only fuel control is an AFPR and an S-AFC in conjunction with a 2g MAS and 660cc injectors. There are no compromises to the tried and true S-AFC/MBC combo for bang for the buck, and the stock ECU has plenty of safeguards in place to ensure that you don't grenade your junk. With 115k miles on my junk(stock motor/tranny) it still runs low 12's @113+mph and passes emissions testing every other year. Closed loop tuning is not some black science like Shiv might make it seem.
Sounds to me like this board is filled with a lot of big wallets and big egos.
Shiv called us DSM'er salty internet geeks, but behind closed doors I wouldn't be surprised if he refers to all of you EVO owners as his little "Ignorant Sheep" that follow him blindly to fulfill your wet dreams of having a fast, pretty (impossible if it's an EVO) car.
And another thing, these Porsche 911T comparisons are ludicris y'all are really stuck on yourselves if you think the driving experience even comes close. Drive one and you'll be crawling back to shiv looking for a smoother operation and oh yeah, a lot more power and character.
FWIW, I drive (as Shiv so elloquently put it) a 13yr old pile. I drive it every day, and I average 23mpg city driving with a lot of foot on the floor 20psi action along the way. There is incredible smoothness in the way the car performs too. That should be impossible according to most of the people on this board though. I mean, what the hell, my only fuel control is an AFPR and an S-AFC in conjunction with a 2g MAS and 660cc injectors. There are no compromises to the tried and true S-AFC/MBC combo for bang for the buck, and the stock ECU has plenty of safeguards in place to ensure that you don't grenade your junk. With 115k miles on my junk(stock motor/tranny) it still runs low 12's @113+mph and passes emissions testing every other year. Closed loop tuning is not some black science like Shiv might make it seem.
Sounds to me like this board is filled with a lot of big wallets and big egos.
Shiv called us DSM'er salty internet geeks, but behind closed doors I wouldn't be surprised if he refers to all of you EVO owners as his little "Ignorant Sheep" that follow him blindly to fulfill your wet dreams of having a fast, pretty (impossible if it's an EVO) car.
And another thing, these Porsche 911T comparisons are ludicris y'all are really stuck on yourselves if you think the driving experience even comes close. Drive one and you'll be crawling back to shiv looking for a smoother operation and oh yeah, a lot more power and character.
Originally posted by Gunner
The Shiv bandwagon is certainly overloaded these days. I can't fathom why you all throw money at someone and something that gives you marginal gains for a highly inflated price.
FWIW, I drive (as Shiv so elloquently put it) a 13yr old pile. I drive it every day, and I average 23mpg city driving with a lot of foot on the floor 20psi action along the way. There is incredible smoothness in the way the car performs too. That should be impossible according to most of the people on this board though. I mean, what the hell, my only fuel control is an AFPR and an S-AFC in conjunction with a 2g MAS and 660cc injectors. There are no compromises to the tried and true S-AFC/MBC combo for bang for the buck, and the stock ECU has plenty of safeguards in place to ensure that you don't grenade your junk. With 115k miles on my junk(stock motor/tranny) it still runs low 12's @113+mph and passes emissions testing every other year. Closed loop tuning is not some black science like Shiv might make it seem.
Sounds to me like this board is filled with a lot of big wallets and big egos.
Shiv called us DSM'er salty internet geeks, but behind closed doors I wouldn't be surprised if he refers to all of you EVO owners as his little "Ignorant Sheep" that follow him blindly to fulfill your wet dreams of having a fast, pretty (impossible if it's an EVO) car.
And another thing, these Porsche 911T comparisons are ludicris y'all are really stuck on yourselves if you think the driving experience even comes close. Drive one and you'll be crawling back to shiv looking for a smoother operation and oh yeah, a lot more power and character.
The Shiv bandwagon is certainly overloaded these days. I can't fathom why you all throw money at someone and something that gives you marginal gains for a highly inflated price.
FWIW, I drive (as Shiv so elloquently put it) a 13yr old pile. I drive it every day, and I average 23mpg city driving with a lot of foot on the floor 20psi action along the way. There is incredible smoothness in the way the car performs too. That should be impossible according to most of the people on this board though. I mean, what the hell, my only fuel control is an AFPR and an S-AFC in conjunction with a 2g MAS and 660cc injectors. There are no compromises to the tried and true S-AFC/MBC combo for bang for the buck, and the stock ECU has plenty of safeguards in place to ensure that you don't grenade your junk. With 115k miles on my junk(stock motor/tranny) it still runs low 12's @113+mph and passes emissions testing every other year. Closed loop tuning is not some black science like Shiv might make it seem.
Sounds to me like this board is filled with a lot of big wallets and big egos.
Shiv called us DSM'er salty internet geeks, but behind closed doors I wouldn't be surprised if he refers to all of you EVO owners as his little "Ignorant Sheep" that follow him blindly to fulfill your wet dreams of having a fast, pretty (impossible if it's an EVO) car.
And another thing, these Porsche 911T comparisons are ludicris y'all are really stuck on yourselves if you think the driving experience even comes close. Drive one and you'll be crawling back to shiv looking for a smoother operation and oh yeah, a lot more power and character.
The only thing uglier than a 1st gen is an aztek, Shiv is so not like what you make him out to be he calls them as he sees them- Just cause your 1st gen cant turn doesnt mean an evo with 75 more horsepower than a stock evo cant hang with the best of the best. As far as your driving around town with stock EVO boost levels tell me you dont throw in c16 and 25+ psi. I thought so. Why is it so hard to understand that most EVO owners want a roadrace car and not a 1320 car- To me its quite simple those smart enough to obtain an EVO would be smart enough to obtain a camaro for the strip 
Originally posted by Gunner
The Shiv bandwagon is certainly overloaded these days. I can't fathom why you all throw money at someone and something that gives you marginal gains for a highly inflated price.
FWIW, I drive (as Shiv so elloquently put it) a 13yr old pile. I drive it every day, and I average 23mpg city driving with a lot of foot on the floor 20psi action along the way. There is incredible smoothness in the way the car performs too. That should be impossible according to most of the people on this board though. I mean, what the hell, my only fuel control is an AFPR and an S-AFC in conjunction with a 2g MAS and 660cc injectors. There are no compromises to the tried and true S-AFC/MBC combo for bang for the buck, and the stock ECU has plenty of safeguards in place to ensure that you don't grenade your junk. With 115k miles on my junk(stock motor/tranny) it still runs low 12's @113+mph and passes emissions testing every other year. Closed loop tuning is not some black science like Shiv might make it seem.
Sounds to me like this board is filled with a lot of big wallets and big egos.
Shiv called us DSM'er salty internet geeks, but behind closed doors I wouldn't be surprised if he refers to all of you EVO owners as his little "Ignorant Sheep" that follow him blindly to fulfill your wet dreams of having a fast, pretty (impossible if it's an EVO) car.
And another thing, these Porsche 911T comparisons are ludicris y'all are really stuck on yourselves if you think the driving experience even comes close. Drive one and you'll be crawling back to shiv looking for a smoother operation and oh yeah, a lot more power and character.
The Shiv bandwagon is certainly overloaded these days. I can't fathom why you all throw money at someone and something that gives you marginal gains for a highly inflated price.
FWIW, I drive (as Shiv so elloquently put it) a 13yr old pile. I drive it every day, and I average 23mpg city driving with a lot of foot on the floor 20psi action along the way. There is incredible smoothness in the way the car performs too. That should be impossible according to most of the people on this board though. I mean, what the hell, my only fuel control is an AFPR and an S-AFC in conjunction with a 2g MAS and 660cc injectors. There are no compromises to the tried and true S-AFC/MBC combo for bang for the buck, and the stock ECU has plenty of safeguards in place to ensure that you don't grenade your junk. With 115k miles on my junk(stock motor/tranny) it still runs low 12's @113+mph and passes emissions testing every other year. Closed loop tuning is not some black science like Shiv might make it seem.
Sounds to me like this board is filled with a lot of big wallets and big egos.
Shiv called us DSM'er salty internet geeks, but behind closed doors I wouldn't be surprised if he refers to all of you EVO owners as his little "Ignorant Sheep" that follow him blindly to fulfill your wet dreams of having a fast, pretty (impossible if it's an EVO) car.
And another thing, these Porsche 911T comparisons are ludicris y'all are really stuck on yourselves if you think the driving experience even comes close. Drive one and you'll be crawling back to shiv looking for a smoother operation and oh yeah, a lot more power and character.
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Gunner-- 2nd post on evolutionm and you've already pulled out the guns. Forgive me for every implying that you are a salty internet nerd. Because clearly you are not. 
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Originally posted by MP5
The only thing uglier than a 1st gen is an aztek, Shiv is so not like what you make him out to be he calls them as he sees them- Just cause your 1st gen cant turn doesnt mean an evo with 75 more horsepower than a stock evo cant hang with the best of the best. As far as your driving around town with stock EVO boost levels tell me you dont throw in c16 and 25+ psi. I thought so. Why is it so hard to understand that most EVO owners want a roadrace car and not a 1320 car- To me its quite simple those smart enough to obtain an EVO would be smart enough to obtain a camaro for the strip
The only thing uglier than a 1st gen is an aztek, Shiv is so not like what you make him out to be he calls them as he sees them- Just cause your 1st gen cant turn doesnt mean an evo with 75 more horsepower than a stock evo cant hang with the best of the best. As far as your driving around town with stock EVO boost levels tell me you dont throw in c16 and 25+ psi. I thought so. Why is it so hard to understand that most EVO owners want a roadrace car and not a 1320 car- To me its quite simple those smart enough to obtain an EVO would be smart enough to obtain a camaro for the strip http://www.dsmporn.com/movies/road_r...rse_Winner.mpg
The 1st gen DSM would have likely done even better than the 2G, if it hadn't clogged its turbo oil line filter.
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Sorry if I can't compare notes. I'm just a 22yr old college senior who has been around performance cars and drag racing longer than the collective lot of you on this board, and it pains me to see what could be well performing cars turned into mundane, docile tree hugging ecoperformancemobiles. When I'm not at school, work or wrenching on the DSM I'm often busy travelling the country where I crew for a professional drag racing team. At that level money is what counts. At this level, more money for less performance sounds pretty ignorant for me. And if $$$ are what impress you guys here, the motor in the race car costs roughly what you would pay for 2 EVO's.
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Originally posted by ShapeGSX
A car that turns. Hmmm, you mean like the 2nd gen drag-prepped DSM that came in 1st place on the road course at the USCC a couple weeks ago?
http://www.dsmporn.com/movies/road_r...rse_Winner.mpg
The 1st gen DSM would have likely done even better than the 2G, if it hadn't clogged its turbo oil line filter.
A car that turns. Hmmm, you mean like the 2nd gen drag-prepped DSM that came in 1st place on the road course at the USCC a couple weeks ago?
http://www.dsmporn.com/movies/road_r...rse_Winner.mpg
The 1st gen DSM would have likely done even better than the 2G, if it hadn't clogged its turbo oil line filter.
Originally posted by ShapeGSX
The 1st gen DSM would have likely done even better than the 2G, if it hadn't clogged its turbo oil line filter.
The 1st gen DSM would have likely done even better than the 2G, if it hadn't clogged its turbo oil line filter.
Quote Gunner:When I'm not at school, work or wrenching on the DSM
Yup nothing new here
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When I'm not at school, work or wrenching on the DSM I'm often busy travelling the country where I crew for a professional drag racing team. At that level money is what counts. At this level, more money for less performance sounds pretty ignorant for me. And if $$$ are what impress you guys here, the motor in the race car costs roughly what you would pay for 2 EVO's.
Originally posted by Gunner
When I'm not at school, work or wrenching on the DSM I'm often busy travelling the country where I crew for a professional drag racing team. At that level money is what counts. At this level, more money for less performance sounds pretty ignorant for me. And if $$$ are what impress you guys here, the motor in the race car costs roughly what you would pay for 2 EVO's.
When I'm not at school, work or wrenching on the DSM I'm often busy travelling the country where I crew for a professional drag racing team. At that level money is what counts. At this level, more money for less performance sounds pretty ignorant for me. And if $$$ are what impress you guys here, the motor in the race car costs roughly what you would pay for 2 EVO's.
Why then do you bother making post to us dump EVO owners??