Well, I wasn't gonna get one anyway, but, I will still say...

I do not share the enthusiasm of the always helpful ROCK (not sarcastic, as I have said before, I admire road///race alot for their bravery), because, as said, just from what I've read, the computer controlled drivetrain made the car in my humble opinion... well, it was and will be a great car anyways, but, it just gave it that little extra to set it so much further ahead of the pack. I'm disappointed as a car enthusiast, and a mitsu fan.

 

From Club 3G:

The admin talks more about it at the end of this thread: http://www.eclipseforums.org/showthr...5&pagenumber=3

I'm not saying these are the facts, but Club 3G do have their "inside" sources.

 

Why do I keep thinking a 3g Eclipse with an evo drivetrain when I read that....

 

Heheheh, that's pretty funny statement about a car that doesn't even EXIST yet... will it embarrass Subaru in the same way that the previous-gen Eclipses "embarrassed" their markets? I dunno, the only people I saw embarrassed were the owners of broken-down Eclipses GSX's and 3000GTs. Let's wait for the car to come out before we make blanket statements with no basis.

On the whole slalom argument, if you've read SCC a few months ago, you would have noticed that the slalom record holder was actually A SUBARU WRX at 73.6 mph. Ironic eh? The M2 coilovers cost $1750, the tires & wheels can be had for less than $2000, and sways are around $250. And that car blows away a the Euro-spec Evo VII for thousands less. Either way, there hasn't been an apples-to-apples comparison yet. You can't compare a Euro-spec car that costs well over $30K (EVO) to a domestic WRX non-STi at $24K (over 20% less), just as you can't compare a modded WRX (sticky tires) to an EVO (stock tires). And yes, the STi is the Evo hunter, anyways.

In the article, the biggest thing that stuck out in my mind is how the noted that the Evo's stock suspension is MUCH stiffer than the WRX's. I guess the WRX, with its > 6 inches of ground clearance, really is designed for a compromise between tarmac and dirt. The point is, with just minor suspension tuning, BOTH of these cars have great potential. I totally agree with the statement about loyalties.

Whew, I certainly do hope that the Evo will have active diffs, because otherwise the competition will indeed be tight. If not, well, there's always the R35 GT-R

Anyways, to show my love for the Lancer, here's a tasty German-spec Evo VII I caught at the Rim of the World Rally

 

Rax, where is the quote in the page... I couldn't find it.

Mark

 

Go to http://www.neweclipse.org. Hi, i'm from club 3G. I've watched the boards here for some time and I like it here. I really want the EVO but when I found out the price from club 3G I don't know now. I know we won't really know till it come's out.

 

The 250+ HP we were promised in the U.S. Evo is enough basis for me. The Impreza is a rally car yes, but you can't compare the two...there is no contest. The STi will be a different story.

 

Okay, so a plain ol Rex did the slalom faster than any car ever? That's funny. I think you need to check your back issues, because now I'll be checking mine.

 

A stock WRX handling blows with the bridgerock re92s...I know I've seen better.

 

Yeah, it's on the front page at the right with a June 7 date.

 

No need. SCC October 2001, Page 96, top left corner. 73.6 mph average slalom speed. Now, it's true that the record has since been broken by a tuned MR2 Spyder turbo with race tires at 73.8 mph, but the point is that it easily beats the previous record-holding 600 HP Bozz modified Lancer Evo VI at 72.5 mph and the Lancer Evo VII at 72.6 mph. And since you brought it up, I'll mention that the WRX tested outbrakes the Evo AND beats it in the quarter mile. Is it still funny, bro?

Anyways, the guys at SCC are on crak if they think the stock WRX suspension is set up for track duty (i'm sure it's great for dirt). It's way too soft, has too much ground clearance, and a mere sway bar doesn't count as "vastly improved." SCC's so-called Project WRX is a joke for track use... they spent it on 12 inch rotors, drag racing bits and were planning on using the stock 16-inch tires! I mean, they said it themselves: "the Lancer has a considerably stiffer suspension from the factory", not to mention bigger tires. And who compares cars when one costs 30%-40% more than the other? My point is that with the right setup (stiffer suspension, like they said the Evo is) even the base non-STi WRX can compete with the Evo and then some. And with the over $7000 price differential between the Evo and WRX, that pays for quite a few trick setup bits.

Both cars are very competitive, and it's hardly the day and night comparison some of you paint. Why can't you guys admit that? Are you on the MMC payroll or something? I'm putting my money where ever the performance/dollar is, regardless of the badge on the grille. Let's cross our fingers and hope the Lancer comes with the euro's stiff suspension, AYC and ACD; otherwise, it WILL be a tough fight, and anyone who says otherwise is placing brand loyalty over logic.

 

trust me, on the track a WRX cannot keep up with an Evo. we are talking 5-8 secs on a 5+km track (approx. 3 miles)

 

Perhaps stock WRX to a Evo, which costs 30% more, but I just showed you a WRX that out-slaloms, out-brakes and out-accelerates the EURO Evo, nevermind the "Americanized" Evo we will get.

Hahah, maybe the stock WRX could still beat it if the Lancer breaks down! Check it:

Mitsubishi Motors facing criminal charges over cover-up

TOKYO, Aug 23 (AFP) -

Japan's government said Wednesday it was looking at criminal charges
against Mitsubishi Motors Corp. after the firm admitted to covering up
customer complaints about defective vehicles for decades.

Analysts warned the scandal had caused untold damage as the share price of Japan's fourth largest automaker, 34-percent owned by German-US giant DaimlerChrysler AG, tumbled 6.5 percent on the Tokyo Stock Exchange.

The cost of punitive action could reach billions of dollars, said Shinichi
Yoshizawa, an official in the Transport Ministry's auto safety division....
"The scandal is a devastating blow to the company. It has shattered its
brand image," said Kazue Mayuzumi, senior market analyst at Nikko Securities....

"Unfortunately, I have no option but to admit that the report reflects a
truly regrettable state of affairs at our company," Kawasoe [MMC President] said.

The company announced it was recalling an additional 88,015 cars, trucks and buses suffering from a variety of problems that were concealed from MOT inspectors.

...An additional 90,000 vehicles built between December 1990 and June this year would be recalled to add to 532,000 recalled last month.

Covered in the Japanese recall are...7,202 models of the popular Lancer sedan


I just heard about this scandal which happened a year or so ago... As much as the Lancer sounds tempting, I think this absolute disgrace is the last blow against getting a MMC product.

 

Many things have changed within MMC since then my friend. New management, reorganization within, etc, etc. Go read up at http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/i...ews_index.html

 

luminari,

any car can be modded to beat any other car. by the way, meant to tell you that the 5-8 second difference is for evo vs. WRX STi (around the same price). for a regular WRX it is more like 10-14 seconds.

yup, i usually go to the track with a bunch of WRX's and there are only 1-2 that are faster than my Evo and these guys have some serious stuff on their car (AP 6 pot brakes, anti-lag, FMIC, 1.5bar boost, etc.).

agree with you that some MMC products have reliability issues, but then again who doesn't?