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Old Oct 6, 2010 | 03:31 PM
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let me also make the above post clear.. I have no problem helping people out with questions and 1000s of members can vouch for that on here..

I for one am one of these 1000 members lol.
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Old Oct 6, 2010 | 05:34 PM
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I got tired of R/T faster than you did Mike. He pulled the same crap with me. Blew smoke up my back side about how he was getting ready to do build and wanted to use our parts, blah, blah, blah. I answered his questions and the next thing I see is the combination of parts on his build he posted. From that point on I refused to help or answer any of his questions. He wanted to insult me with requests like the double pumper part and nickel and dime crap after I took the time to help and listen to how he was going to use us for his build.

It's funny to listen to you now RT, you must think the people here are fools. First you ask me to sell you parts for your double pumper and now that I told you "no" they are just Home Depot parts....why did you request them then? You are making yourself look stupid.
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Old Oct 6, 2010 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by R/TErnie
Great examples of me desperately begging (or as dave would say... GRASPING) for advice.

btw...the people in my sig are people that I've done business with that I recommend. It used to be in my signature, but the mods removed it.
Well it would appear Ernie you werent just looking for pricing.. Were you?? So quit while your ahead.. Dave has 17+ years experience over me and probably 20k more dyno pulls testing parts then me.. If your asking me questions i would say you Definitely know less than Dave.. People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.. find someone else to terrorize on here to make yoursef important because I PROMISE YOU that you are not going to get real far attacking Dave or Myself.. Go find the nut swingers that want the RT ernie 3" 02 housing you have been marketing thru PM as a non vendor to cheerlead for you.. and as Dave said Run along..

Mike
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Old Oct 6, 2010 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by *constant_boost
I for one am one of these 1000 members lol.
Yes you are.. And while you do support us dont i always answer every question no matter how stupid they may seem?? Some of us here are enthusiasts as well as vendors.. Some others are what we call Sku# vendors.. They can look up a SKU but have no idea what the part even does or if it works.. they only know what they make on it and they sell what they make the most on and not what works.. Why?? because they dont know what works.. Food for thought..

Mike
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Old Oct 6, 2010 | 09:05 PM
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Dave and Mike-
Just wanted to say I appreciate the advice and support you give this board not to mention the parts you both sell. Loving my D2 coilovers! I think Dave proved his point here.
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Old Oct 6, 2010 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rodent
Dave and Mike-
Just wanted to say I appreciate the advice and support you give this board not to mention the parts you both sell. Loving my D2 coilovers! I think Dave proved his point here.
Thanks for your support as well!!!!
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports
Go find the nut swingers that want the RT ernie 3" 02 housing you have been marketing thru PM as a non vendor to cheerlead for you.. and as Dave said Run along..
Mike

That was funny as hell. I like how it was like a little quick jab to the gut. LOL.

I've never dealt with Ernie but seen a lot of posts and it seems like he knows his stuff. Until you open your own shop you can't be called professional but you def. seem like you have a lot of knowledge.

Mike and Dave.........What can I say. The records, reputation and longevity speak for themselves. Can't argue FACT.

Dave may be short with people but i can't think of anyone on Dave's level hopping on forums and giving advice and sharing knowledge.

I hope you and Mike continue to do it.....its great for the community and I appreciate y'all.


Man this topic got way off track. I forgot what the original question was.

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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 06:02 AM
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First of all, I would just like to THANK Dave, Dan, and everyone else at BR for all of the work they have done to my car over the past 4 or 5 years. I was just at BR on Tuesday this week. My car was mentioned earlier in the post. I made around 445 whp and 390 ft/lbs on 93 oct. with red turbo, buschur stages 1-4, aem ems, and hks 272 cams, so a pretty basic setup. They are the only ones who have ever worked on my car and all of my parts have come from BR. I wouldn't take my car anywhere else. It's a great and rare feeling to be able to take your car somewhere and completely trust the people who are working on it. Thanks again man for everything you guys have done, and I will be seeing you next spring so we can get my red and 93 oct. closer to that 500 whp mark.
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 07:18 AM
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HI MIKE! Nice to see you post. How was the drive home with the new power? Is the fuel mileage still killer? Thank you for the support, always a pleasure talking to you. Take a poll and ask how many guys sit in their car while I'm tuning it, you'll find out I like having you here and talking to you! haha

Take care.
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 07:58 AM
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Where do i start here...

Any time Dave cannot hold a technical conversation (because he's not versed in technical speak) He reverts back to "my car is faster than yours" or "look at all my records" or... "I've been in business for 20 years."

Let me be the first to say. Having a 9 second car does not make you intelligent. Having a faster car does not make you intelligent. Having made up internet records does not make you intelligent.... AND CERTAINLY... selling 4G63 parts for 20 years does NOT make you intelligent.

So when you make baseless statements like, " Twin scroll doesn't work" "MIVEC doesn't work" and "Sierra Sierra doesn't know how to tune a car" It only makes your competance level that more obvious.

You've gained all your "part selection" knowledge based on experience... not on Engineering Fundamentals. Where this is perfectly acceptable, it shouldn't be taken as GOSPEL... especially when technology moves along and the 4G63 advances... you cannot paint the Evo with the same wide brush that you always have.

The fact is... twin scroll DOES work. MIVEC DOES work...and Sierra Sierra would hand you your *** on any track.

Yet for some reason you won't take ANY advice from people on this forum who have a higher technical compentance than yourself. You simply look at someone like this and ASSUME they're attacking you...and you get uber defensive.

I realize you've been doing this for a long time, but your technical understanding, budget, and resources are limited. Time passes and technology improves. You can keep trying to burn the people down who try to give you advice and further your business... or you can do your best to belittle them on internet forums.

Somehow in these 20 years of business you're still not a businessman...and certainly don't act like an adult.

If you, Mike, and your BR sack swingers want to come in here and berate me as best you can... go ahead. It is afterall... The internet.

And to the o2 housing comment. I've made 2 for my car. 1 for Mike Kesslers car (who is my friend and lives in Washington), 1 for Fast Freddie (Who is also my friend and lived in Washington), and one for a guy in Connecticut. GASP!

I sell Neon parts. 1st gen Neon and SRT-4 turbo manifolds to be specific. So... if you guys want to make a better Neon/SRT-4 manifold...go a head and try lol.
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 08:02 AM
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Don't flatter yourself with thinking that I would buy parts from either of you.

Only thing I've bought from AWD or Buschur was when I bought hubs, sliders, and synchronizers for rebuilding my transmission. I dealt with Dan Buschur, not Dave. And this was only because I couldn't get Jon@ TRE on the phone and Shep wouldn't sell me the parts.

I really would've liked to buy AWD's 2 piece driveshaft... but I got a killer deal on a used QM one.

Furthermore... Dave doesn't sell 159mm rods.
So I had R&R build me some 159 H beam rods...and JE made me some custom pistons with a shorter compression height.

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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 10:07 AM
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This thread should have been prefaced by..... "Like sand through an hour glass so are the days of our lives".

I and the majority of the Evom members appreciate what each of you bring to the community. I rock Ernie's o2 housing and think it's great. I have had questions answered in threads by Mike which was super appreciated. I have and will continue to use Dave's parts and advice. I feel like I've known him for years since my 4G63 Talon in '97 but I've never even talked a word with the guy.

Can't we all just get along!!
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 10:11 AM
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This is my last response to you R/T.

You only read and see what you want to read and see. I've made my point perfectly clear on twin scroll. I've never said it doesn't "work". Twin scroll absolutely offers (not in every case obviously) more low/mid range than a single scroll set up, I've NEVER debated that. My statement has been that when it does improve the low/mid range considerably there is then a trade off in top end power. Not that it doesn't work, so don't put words in my mouth.

Same deal with MIVEC, you read what you like to read. I said I had NO luck with making any substantial gains with the MIVEC. I spent considerable time with it, obviously. I also have multiple posts up here showing where later during more testing of different cams (5r's) the car did gain considerable power. I then posted up dyno sheets of the MIVEC in the EVOX also showing considerable gains with the big turbo. So stop living on one post that you read I made and then changing around what I said. You obviously gather what you want to from what I post and then you dwell on it.

Sierra-Sierra, we built 2 complete EVO's for the Dennis, the owner of the team. He was EXTREMELY happy with both. So happy in fact that he had us build a third complete engine/FMIC/turbo kit/injection for his current Time Attack EVO. I was suppose to go there and tune the car and set it up. Instead, because of Dennis's contacts and people selling him $30,000 electric power steering set-ups, he chose to use "his guy" for tuning. Unknown to use the car was completed and tested. During this testing the fuel system and cooling system (both of which THEY designed) failed. This resulted in the engine being damaged. Still no contact, we thought the car was still under the knife. They took the damaged head to a machine shop to have fixed. The car was re-assembled and failed again. Dennis finally contacted us and asked us if we could fix the head. It had to be done the same day and over nighted back to them. The story at the time was vague at what had happened and I was surprised to find the car was even running. The head showed up, we did a rush valve job on it, set the head back up and milled it slightly to get it flat again. The head was sent back on time. THEY put the head on, didn't check clearances and bent the valves. The reason for this was the head at that point had been machined twice by some hack and then cleaned up by us. This somehow became Buschur Racing's fault and the relationship was ended by Dennis, mind you, no phone call, I got to hear about this from someone else. They then got the car in a magazine and claimed they built the engine (was still ours), the turbo kit was Full Race's (clearly ours), the FMIC was "custom" (we built it) same with the ignition and other parts. Flash forward to now. The fact of the matter is they have gone through more engines than any single EVO I know ever has. They CAN NOT keep a head gasket on the car, you can't find them at a race without pulling the head off to replace it. Blowing a head gasket on an EVO is difficult to say the least. So please, get your facts all straight before you run your fingers across your key board again.

A few more things.

I didn't say anything about my car being faster, I provided advise in this thread and then proof you asked for of results. You are simply butt hurt because you look like a fool now.

What do I have for made up internet records? My signature, you can envy all you like but the fact remains we were the first to break all the barriers in my signature. We won a few Time Attack races in the limited time we put into it. I was the Eastern Division, Central Division and National Champion in the IDRC Pro Class in 2002 when I was still racing. My records and accomplishments are far from made up. It's gotta be tough for a guy like you to accept it......

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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 10:28 AM
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Twin Scroll... you've said and continue to say, "its not a better design than a single scroll". A/R to A/R... cross sectional area to cross sectional of the turbine inlet... the Twin scroll IS better. If you had a strong grasp of turbine housing geometry this would make sense.

MIVEC. Just because you're not capable of tuning cam timing doesn't mean it doesn't work. Using other people's MIVEC maps does not count as MIVEC tuning either. You also stated that cam gears are useless... "set the cams at zero" If I have to explain to you why both of these comments are ignorant statements... I'll probably have to explain what degreeing an engine is as well.

Sierra Sierra Evo... Good to know... it may blow head gaskets as often as you get angry, but you still won't put down a faster lap on a road course.

I would think replacing a 800 dollar cylinder head for a big name like Sierra Sierra would've been peanuts compared to what you would've received in business from their advertising.

I'll just be sure and quote you saying that SSE can't keep a head gasket on their car when they take 1st place in Time Attack this next year.
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 10:32 AM
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I would just like to say this thread had kept me thoroughly entertained at work. Quick F5 every couple of minutes provides a wealth of good reading

Interesting tid bit on the Sierra Sierra car...didn't realize some of those items. I thought they were using a lot of Cosworth pieces to begin with.
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