450+ low end torque and 500+ hp
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Never any bull **** with BR. Just results, they know there ****. I been up there several times, and he comes off as a little short sometimes, but he knows what to do to get what you want with what you have. Or help you get your goals reliably. Maybe thats why he has so many cars still running strong longer. Made in USA, Built in USA, and good at what he does. Never left disappointed or had one problem on my 4hr drive home. Or years later. So please dont take his advice anyone, he's only been at it for 20 yrs., and his record proves his abilities. Go suck the tit of your tuner or mechanic, maybe they know more.
They might be ase certified to screw up anycar.
I'm not a nut swinger, but give some respect. He's trying to help out with what he knows and has done.
They might be ase certified to screw up anycar.
I'm not a nut swinger, but give some respect. He's trying to help out with what he knows and has done.
I truly hate to continue on with you R/T but you are talking about extensive mods with the FOUR examples I posted and you post a link to THAT!? Hahahahahaha. Hell at least the examples I put up use a 4g63 block! Magnus intake, speed density, modded MIVEC gear......yeah now your examplenis a mild build! Hahahahahaha
Dude, please go back to wherever you work and leave the EVO stuff to someone else. Hahaha
Dude, please go back to wherever you work and leave the EVO stuff to someone else. Hahaha
Mike
Never any bull **** with BR. Just results, they know there ****. I been up there several times, and he comes off as a little short sometimes, but he knows what to do to get what you want with what you have. Or help you get your goals reliably. Maybe thats why he has so many cars still running strong longer. Made in USA, Built in USA, and good at what he does. Never left disappointed or had one problem on my 4hr drive home. Or years later. So please dont take his advice anyone, he's only been at it for 20 yrs., and his record proves his abilities. Go suck the tit of your tuner or mechanic, maybe they know more.
They might be ase certified to screw up anycar.
I'm not a nut swinger, but give some respect. He's trying to help out with what he knows and has done.
They might be ase certified to screw up anycar.
I'm not a nut swinger, but give some respect. He's trying to help out with what he knows and has done.
Your project white was over 500whp on a DJ. The other example doesn't make over 500 according to your calcs. You're about 10whp off. 490 is not 500.
Do you have your mod list on project white?
Furthermore would that fall under the category of "a cold day with a ton of mods"?
Were you running the weather station when you did the project white dyno? Also what were the ambient conditions?
My point is... you won't make 500whp on 93 octane unless you have a TON of mods and the dyno plot is generated in your favor... project white I believe falls under the category of a TON of mods. which is EXACTLY what I stated.
You've shown us one example that made over 500whp on 93 octane...and ironically it was your own car.
Make it rain Dave.
Did you look up the price on an AVL test cell with a Horiba AC dyno yet dave? Blow your mind? Ever heard of a Kistler in cylinder pressure transducer? I bet it costs more than your bad bish. lol.
Do you have your mod list on project white?
Furthermore would that fall under the category of "a cold day with a ton of mods"?
Were you running the weather station when you did the project white dyno? Also what were the ambient conditions?
My point is... you won't make 500whp on 93 octane unless you have a TON of mods and the dyno plot is generated in your favor... project white I believe falls under the category of a TON of mods. which is EXACTLY what I stated.
You've shown us one example that made over 500whp on 93 octane...and ironically it was your own car.
Make it rain Dave.
Did you look up the price on an AVL test cell with a Horiba AC dyno yet dave? Blow your mind? Ever heard of a Kistler in cylinder pressure transducer? I bet it costs more than your bad bish. lol.
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What questions did I ask you Mike? Pricing on S2's and 6262's? haha
I asked dave if he would give me the home depot part numbers for his double pump so I could make it in my garage.
You guys act like I'm calling you up asking how to scale my injectors lol.
Just because I don't own a shop doesn't mean I don't do work, fab, race, and tune cars. Maybe... I'm not vain enough to run around with my accomplishments in my signature.
I'm perfectly happy not being the worlds fastest anything.
And for the Record I had an FP Red with and without the surge cover. I tuned it on 92 and c16. It made 540whp uncorrected on a Dynojet. I know...with the mods that I had the car was a LONG way from 500whp on pump gas. IIRC I made 440whp on 92. I think its a bit misleading to think that a Red is going to make 500whp on pump. There are far more examples of 500whp with a Black than with a Red.
I would venture to say that I've put more miles on an FP red setup than the both of you combined. owned, drove, raced, tuned... myself. Not someone elses car.
I asked dave if he would give me the home depot part numbers for his double pump so I could make it in my garage.
You guys act like I'm calling you up asking how to scale my injectors lol.
Just because I don't own a shop doesn't mean I don't do work, fab, race, and tune cars. Maybe... I'm not vain enough to run around with my accomplishments in my signature.
I'm perfectly happy not being the worlds fastest anything.
And for the Record I had an FP Red with and without the surge cover. I tuned it on 92 and c16. It made 540whp uncorrected on a Dynojet. I know...with the mods that I had the car was a LONG way from 500whp on pump gas. IIRC I made 440whp on 92. I think its a bit misleading to think that a Red is going to make 500whp on pump. There are far more examples of 500whp with a Black than with a Red.
I would venture to say that I've put more miles on an FP red setup than the both of you combined. owned, drove, raced, tuned... myself. Not someone elses car.
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What questions did I ask you Mike? Pricing on S2's and 6262's?
Just because I don't own a shop doesn't mean I don't do work, fab, race, and tune cars. Maybe... I'm not vain enough to run around with my accomplishments in my signature.
I'm perfectly happy not being the worlds fastest anything.
Just because I don't own a shop doesn't mean I don't do work, fab, race, and tune cars. Maybe... I'm not vain enough to run around with my accomplishments in my signature.
I'm perfectly happy not being the worlds fastest anything.
Mike
What questions did I ask you Mike? Pricing on S2's and 6262's? haha
I asked dave if he would give me the home depot part numbers for his double pump so I could make it in my garage.
You guys act like I'm calling you up asking how to scale my injectors lol.
Just because I don't own a shop doesn't mean I don't do work, fab, race, and tune cars. Maybe... I'm not vain enough to run around with my accomplishments in my signature.
I'm perfectly happy not being the worlds fastest anything.
And for the Record I had an FP Red with and without the surge cover. I tuned it on 92 and c16. It made 540whp uncorrected on a Dynojet. I know...with the mods that I had the car was a LONG way from 500whp on pump gas. IIRC I made 440whp on 92. I think its a bit misleading to think that a Red is going to make 500whp on pump. There are far more examples of 500whp with a Black than with a Red.
I would venture to say that I've put more miles on an FP red setup than the both of you combined. owned, drove, raced, tuned... myself. Not someone elses car.
I asked dave if he would give me the home depot part numbers for his double pump so I could make it in my garage.
You guys act like I'm calling you up asking how to scale my injectors lol.
Just because I don't own a shop doesn't mean I don't do work, fab, race, and tune cars. Maybe... I'm not vain enough to run around with my accomplishments in my signature.
I'm perfectly happy not being the worlds fastest anything.
And for the Record I had an FP Red with and without the surge cover. I tuned it on 92 and c16. It made 540whp uncorrected on a Dynojet. I know...with the mods that I had the car was a LONG way from 500whp on pump gas. IIRC I made 440whp on 92. I think its a bit misleading to think that a Red is going to make 500whp on pump. There are far more examples of 500whp with a Black than with a Red.
I would venture to say that I've put more miles on an FP red setup than the both of you combined. owned, drove, raced, tuned... myself. Not someone elses car.
#2) What intercooler core is that? looks like a 22" wide IC.
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Sorry for the late reply.. we use the Buschur 4" race core..
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What pistons do you use in your 700whp builds?
Would you have any reserve running a Carillo H beam on a 700whp build? Why the immediate jump to an aluminum rod?
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are you guys revving past 9500 on a 156mm rod in a 2.0L 4g63?
I got my 6262 finally... and I'm figuring I'll need 9k worth of rev's. I see your point...alum rods are around 500-600 bucks and the carillo's are 1000... I could definitely get further in the build for the same amount of money with an aluminum rod.
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Kiggly Beehives?
Any other valve train you would suggest to pair with those cams? 2.0L Revving to 9?
let me also make the above post clear.. I have no problem helping people out with questions and 1000s of members can vouch for that on here.. I answer everyones questions while 90% of them buy from whoever is cheaper after taking my advice..
My issue with ernie is he KNOWS EVERYTHING already so why is he asking me trivial questions??
My issue with ernie is he KNOWS EVERYTHING already so why is he asking me trivial questions??
Furthermore...how do you explain this? Bad tuning day? 369whp is a LONG way from 443whp
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What questions??? here this might help... Do you want me to make you look like more of fool and post more of the Pm's.. Since you know more than Dave why are you asking me Trivial questions Ernie??? why are you not asking Magnus or Lucas?? why are you asking the vain guy with full signature???
#2) What intercooler core is that? looks like a 22" wide IC.
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Sorry for the late reply.. we use the Buschur 4" race core..
Looks like I was asking about core dimensions.... specifically widths. Since I do fabricate my own end tanks on my intercoolers... I was curious what the width was. As only soo many intercoolers come in 22" widths. The Buschur core is the Garrett Core...which doesn't come in 22" widths.
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What pistons do you use in your 700whp builds?
Curious what kind of brand loyalty you have. You don't build engines... Dave does... or at least at that point. Dave uses JE.
Would you have any reserve running a Carillo H beam on a 700whp build? Why the immediate jump to an aluminum rod?
Curious why you always jump to an aluminum rod engine instead of using a steel rod. I assume its becuase you can't keep rod beaings in the car. It was a pointed question.... "why can't you keep rod bearings in your engines if you're only making 700whp?"
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are you guys revving past 9500 on a 156mm rod in a 2.0L 4g63?
Another example of a leading question... you're generating an excessive bearing load revving the engine that high. Maybe a reason why you have to run aluminum rods because you're beating the crap out of your rod bearings.
I got my 6262 finally... and I'm figuring I'll need 9k worth of rev's. I see your point...alum rods are around 500-600 bucks and the carillo's are 1000... I could definitely get further in the build for the same amount of money with an aluminum rod.
Me agreeing that it was in fact cheaper to go the aluminum rod route regardless of power level.
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Kiggly Beehives?
Any other valve train you would suggest to pair with those cams? 2.0L Revving to 9?
You recommended Supertech's. I haven't ran supertech's before... Just Ferrea, BC, Crane, Comp cams, and Crower. I ended up running the Kiggly Springs not the supertech's
#2) What intercooler core is that? looks like a 22" wide IC.
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Sorry for the late reply.. we use the Buschur 4" race core..
Looks like I was asking about core dimensions.... specifically widths. Since I do fabricate my own end tanks on my intercoolers... I was curious what the width was. As only soo many intercoolers come in 22" widths. The Buschur core is the Garrett Core...which doesn't come in 22" widths.
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What pistons do you use in your 700whp builds?
Curious what kind of brand loyalty you have. You don't build engines... Dave does... or at least at that point. Dave uses JE.
Would you have any reserve running a Carillo H beam on a 700whp build? Why the immediate jump to an aluminum rod?
Curious why you always jump to an aluminum rod engine instead of using a steel rod. I assume its becuase you can't keep rod beaings in the car. It was a pointed question.... "why can't you keep rod bearings in your engines if you're only making 700whp?"
---End Quote---
are you guys revving past 9500 on a 156mm rod in a 2.0L 4g63?
Another example of a leading question... you're generating an excessive bearing load revving the engine that high. Maybe a reason why you have to run aluminum rods because you're beating the crap out of your rod bearings.
I got my 6262 finally... and I'm figuring I'll need 9k worth of rev's. I see your point...alum rods are around 500-600 bucks and the carillo's are 1000... I could definitely get further in the build for the same amount of money with an aluminum rod.
Me agreeing that it was in fact cheaper to go the aluminum rod route regardless of power level.
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Kiggly Beehives?
Any other valve train you would suggest to pair with those cams? 2.0L Revving to 9?
You recommended Supertech's. I haven't ran supertech's before... Just Ferrea, BC, Crane, Comp cams, and Crower. I ended up running the Kiggly Springs not the supertech's
btw...the people in my sig are people that I've done business with that I recommend. It used to be in my signature, but the mods removed it.
Last edited by R/TErnie; Oct 6, 2010 at 03:06 PM.