Impreza Spec C beats Evo VIII FQ-300
Originally posted by natedogg
I'm not too sad that we didn't get this stuff. More to break, more to fix, more for Mitsu to deny warranty claims on, kept the cost down. Plus, the new Mitsu rally car did away with all these electronic gizmos in favor of the tried and true torsen mechanical diffs. I'm sure AYC and ACD have their place, but I like my Evo the way it is...all naturale.
I'm not too sad that we didn't get this stuff. More to break, more to fix, more for Mitsu to deny warranty claims on, kept the cost down. Plus, the new Mitsu rally car did away with all these electronic gizmos in favor of the tried and true torsen mechanical diffs. I'm sure AYC and ACD have their place, but I like my Evo the way it is...all naturale.
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Originally posted by hagakure
Spec C also has 330+ HP. Read the comparo article. 330+HP, better suspension and tranny, lighter. No mystery there.
Percy
Spec C also has 330+ HP. Read the comparo article. 330+HP, better suspension and tranny, lighter. No mystery there.
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Originally posted by vegetta
Impreza, yes I did read your posts. Unfortunately you attributed the Spec C's speed to the wheelbase being lengthened, and that is incorrect.
The Usdm STI has the same front suspension design that adds caster by moving the wheels about an inch forward.
USDM STI and Spec C wheelbase are the same- 2540mm or 100 inches.
Impreza, yes I did read your posts. Unfortunately you attributed the Spec C's speed to the wheelbase being lengthened, and that is incorrect.
The Usdm STI has the same front suspension design that adds caster by moving the wheels about an inch forward.
USDM STI and Spec C wheelbase are the same- 2540mm or 100 inches.
The reason the Spec C in the article has more than 320 hp is because it's a grey market (aka unofficial import) Spec C. The importer, Litchfield, modifies the car further with some parts from the STi catalogue and increases the power while adjusting the ECU for UK gas.
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Impreza01-
I have to jump in here for fear that other may read you posts and think you have any idea what you are talking about.
I don't know F-all about the Spec C STI, etc.
But:
the stiffer the front anti-roll, the MORE understeer the vehicle will exhibit.
Write that down on your mousepad.
I have to jump in here for fear that other may read you posts and think you have any idea what you are talking about.
I don't know F-all about the Spec C STI, etc.
But:
the stiffer the front anti-roll, the MORE understeer the vehicle will exhibit.
Write that down on your mousepad.
I have to agree with u00mem9 a thicker or stiffer front sway bar would increase understeer from what I have been told. Now if you where talking about the rplacing the rear sway bar it would have less understeer and be more neutral.
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Hmm.
Originally posted by vtecTHIS
that's why we sti owners turn to the aftermarket. i have no more understeer with my new suspension. i actually out ran my freinds evo at 2 seperate autocrosses. we even traded off cars at the 2nd one and he beat my time in his car . we are about the same driving level. once again, not bashing the evo, awesome car, but to act like there's no hope for subie handling is just blindsided. you just have to match up the right spring/damper rates to your platform. gotta love fully adjustable coilovers
...oh and i foget wht vol it is but the best motorign video i just got compare the evo and the 04 sti,sti spec c,evo8 rs,and evo8 fq. 04 sti has the whole race,with the rs right on it's ***. until the end when the spec comes out of no where and kills them all by at least 5 seconds. mind you this is all stock for stock...
that's why we sti owners turn to the aftermarket. i have no more understeer with my new suspension. i actually out ran my freinds evo at 2 seperate autocrosses. we even traded off cars at the 2nd one and he beat my time in his car . we are about the same driving level. once again, not bashing the evo, awesome car, but to act like there's no hope for subie handling is just blindsided. you just have to match up the right spring/damper rates to your platform. gotta love fully adjustable coilovers
...oh and i foget wht vol it is but the best motorign video i just got compare the evo and the 04 sti,sti spec c,evo8 rs,and evo8 fq. 04 sti has the whole race,with the rs right on it's ***. until the end when the spec comes out of no where and kills them all by at least 5 seconds. mind you this is all stock for stock...
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Originally posted by u00mem9
Impreza01-
I have to jump in here for fear that other may read you posts and think you have any idea what you are talking about.
I don't know F-all about the Spec C STI, etc.
But:
the stiffer the front anti-roll, the MORE understeer the vehicle will exhibit.
Write that down on your mousepad.
Impreza01-
I have to jump in here for fear that other may read you posts and think you have any idea what you are talking about.
I don't know F-all about the Spec C STI, etc.
But:
the stiffer the front anti-roll, the MORE understeer the vehicle will exhibit.
Write that down on your mousepad.
All in all, just look at the suspension of the US-spec STi, it's setup to understeer.
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where else am i supposed to base my bias?(of course i'll be bias to sti and you evo BTW) the evo handles ****ing great stock, my car is good in stock form. now with my suspension, it is on par and a little tighter than a evo. i take freeway on and off ramps faster as well if that makes you happy? dude, i'm not being like some evo owners(coming on sti sights to flame), not hating on evo's,i love the evo, i just got a sti because it fit me better...and from the sound of it you've never autocrossed before, you make it sound like it's like going thru the drive thru at wendy's 
...... oh and someone asked about the video, it's a best motoring vcd, i'll look at what vol when i get home, it's got a race with the spec c,04 sti,and 04 spec c,a evo gsr(gets spanked) and a evo rs(hangs tight). it's a sweet video. ........
...... oh and someone asked about the video, it's a best motoring vcd, i'll look at what vol when i get home, it's got a race with the spec c,04 sti,and 04 spec c,a evo gsr(gets spanked) and a evo rs(hangs tight). it's a sweet video. ........
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I don't believe this... 3 pages of posts and only TWO people so far mentioned that the Spec C has 330bhp versus FQ's 300bhp.
Original poster or whoever, please verify the WEIGHT as well.
If I'm not mistaken, it's Spec C's 1,350kg versus FQ's 1,410kg.
30bhp MORE, 60kg LESS. Doesn't take a genius to figure out WHY Spec C is faster.
Original poster or whoever, please verify the WEIGHT as well.
If I'm not mistaken, it's Spec C's 1,350kg versus FQ's 1,410kg.
30bhp MORE, 60kg LESS. Doesn't take a genius to figure out WHY Spec C is faster.
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I have a big problem with Subaru and it's with the way they are confusing the public.
The JDM STI Spec C has no airconditioning, power windows, power door locks etc. That explains the weight difference. Spec C Limited, on the other hand, has all these features.
Say I'm an uninformed Joe Buyer, have I been misled into purchasing a car (Spec C Limited) that is thought to be faster than an FQ300 on a certain track, based on a magazine review, when it may not necessarily be the case?
Question 2: if the Spec C Limited was meant to be a "faster" car than the FQ300, but with all the optional features bolted back on, then what is the purpose of the JDM STI?
Legal eagles, your opinions please.
The JDM STI Spec C has no airconditioning, power windows, power door locks etc. That explains the weight difference. Spec C Limited, on the other hand, has all these features.
Say I'm an uninformed Joe Buyer, have I been misled into purchasing a car (Spec C Limited) that is thought to be faster than an FQ300 on a certain track, based on a magazine review, when it may not necessarily be the case?
Question 2: if the Spec C Limited was meant to be a "faster" car than the FQ300, but with all the optional features bolted back on, then what is the purpose of the JDM STI?
Legal eagles, your opinions please.
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Crufty,
I think it's safe to assume that MISREPRESENTATION by car salespersons will always be present, regardless of the car being sold. IMHO the onus is up to the buyer to do better research before spending the $$$ to buy the car.
JDM STi of course has its purpose! It is catered for the enthusiast mass market.
Please note that a Spec C Limited is still a Spec C by nature, which means (I'm guessing) it still retains its 'rawness'. It is NOT Spec C with bolted on features making it a JDM STi.
I owned STi Type RA (Spec C's ancestor) before, and the 'rawness' is very prevalent everywhere, namely minimal sound proofing = a lot more noise (worst of all, when it rains, it feels like it's HAILING due to the noise generated by the falling droplets!). The interior design was different too from JDM STi, more 'purposeful' (less 'mass market').
Other little things: cigarette lighter that does not work (i.e. no lighter, only plug for the 12V batter), fender guards left out, no rear wiper.
Plus: I'm out of touch with Subaru's lately but if I'm not mistaken they did something to the Spec C's front suspension, I'm not sure if this is implemented to the JDM STi also.
Spec C - hardcore/nutcrack enthusiast or competition
Spec C Limited - dedicated enthusiast but still sane
JDM STi - mass market enthusiast
JDM 250PS - mass market
BUT I DIGRESS
Let's face it: UK Spec C is a great car. Period. Problems/squabbles arise only if one starts comparing it with the FQ300 or whatever
I think it's safe to assume that MISREPRESENTATION by car salespersons will always be present, regardless of the car being sold. IMHO the onus is up to the buyer to do better research before spending the $$$ to buy the car.
JDM STi of course has its purpose! It is catered for the enthusiast mass market.
Please note that a Spec C Limited is still a Spec C by nature, which means (I'm guessing) it still retains its 'rawness'. It is NOT Spec C with bolted on features making it a JDM STi.
I owned STi Type RA (Spec C's ancestor) before, and the 'rawness' is very prevalent everywhere, namely minimal sound proofing = a lot more noise (worst of all, when it rains, it feels like it's HAILING due to the noise generated by the falling droplets!). The interior design was different too from JDM STi, more 'purposeful' (less 'mass market').
Other little things: cigarette lighter that does not work (i.e. no lighter, only plug for the 12V batter), fender guards left out, no rear wiper.
Plus: I'm out of touch with Subaru's lately but if I'm not mistaken they did something to the Spec C's front suspension, I'm not sure if this is implemented to the JDM STi also.
Spec C - hardcore/nutcrack enthusiast or competition
Spec C Limited - dedicated enthusiast but still sane
JDM STi - mass market enthusiast
JDM 250PS - mass market
BUT I DIGRESS
Let's face it: UK Spec C is a great car. Period. Problems/squabbles arise only if one starts comparing it with the FQ300 or whatever
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