I dont know why people have such a problem with e-brake drifting. YES its dangerous on normal streets, ... but it is also a good way to start a drift, no matter wat car u drive. I personally dont need the e-brake anymore. The evo is great!! maybe u guys r tooo good of drivers to realize this, b/c when u enter a turn going fast, you keep ur foot on the gas rite? dont let go rite? cause if u do suddenly let go wat happens? U SPIN OUT ... well most drifters take advantage of that in AWD cars, but instead of spinning out like an idiot ... u utilize a little extra oversteer to ur advantage and once u start drifting u can apply gas as needed to maintain the drift and hey heres a concept ... actually go faster. To catagorize every turn on every track as having no advantage w/ drifting is kinda ignorant, b/c on some turns where ur strait turning ability is limited, you can carry a lot more speed drifting the corner than u can strait turning it (i do believe ALL CARS HAVE UNDERSTEER ... but good drivers compensate w/ technique, drifting is just 1 technique).
I mean yea lotta people suck at it (as do i) but should that mean that drifting sucks? and its a waste of time? if we suck then rnt we allowed to practice and get better? Maybe im mistaken and the 1st time u ran on a track or qt mile strip, you stole the show away with your perfectly excecuted shifts and chose the optimal lines going into a turn, but most of us prolly sucked. but we get better, how is that any different from those idiot drifters who suck and cant exit a turn going faster than when they entered? practice enough and they too will get better at drifting the right way, as i am sure u have gotten better at strait turning in ur 30 odd track experiences.

 

dude you're avoiding all the points ive made...

first im not including myself in any of this. i dont want your evo. second i didnt say its faster around a track. i agree with you, race line = faster than drift.

ive seen the evo flipping.. that one video.. one.. IT HAPPENS. ive seen guys crash drifting or no drifting

 

allright... its your choice not to further explore a car's capabilities and gain skills as a driver, i suppose. or simply be closed minded about it.

your knocking drifting, calling it gay, being an ***.. dont deny it

this is aggrivating, and i just ate a spicy chicken sandwich from wendy's.. im about to **** my ***, thanks

 

The autocrosser usually spins out on the road course and goes slow in the fast corners because he dosen't understand the different dynamics of the car at higher speed. Cone dodging is fun but IT IS NOT road racing. There are plenty of fast autocrossers that don't go very fast on race tracks because the can't make the transition. It comes down to fear, you can hurt your car and yourself on a road course and this fact affects a lot of people (even though they don't like to admit it). A good drifter (notice I said good, that's maybe 20 people in the U.S.) has unbelivable car control, a great feel for the limit and very little fear. That is someone that can also turn a killer lap time. Three of the best roadracers in the U.S. Randy Pobst, P.D. Cunningham and Boris Said ALL LOVE TO DRIFT. Are you saying that these guys arn't fast! Drifting takes skill that I'm guessing you don't have. hense you resent it. BTW the good guys don't use hard tires because the cars drift too slow and that's too easy and yes boring. Flame suit on...

 

man who the hell cares about lap times and how fast ur car is, drifting doesn't require alot from a car or it's parts like the other sports do. Drifting is all in the driver. If someone doesn't know what they are doing yah they are ganan eat #$%^ but there is no way of describing waht it feels like to be in full control of something that looks so outragous and out of control.... Being able to control a car when traction isn't a factor is skill in any sport.... look at rally racing are you telling me they don't have talent? They basicly " drift" around everything..... I have the highest respenct for drifters and wanan be drifters who do it responsibly... Drifting on a public street isn't cool, then again drag racing on a public street isn't either but when it's done on a monitored course or secluded area where there is plenty of room for error is a a fun passtime...

 

well whatever you all say...

when i got off work last sat. nite at 230am and my parking lot was empty...i had HELLA room to have fun with my ebrake in my lil fwd lancer it was funnn as hell. its a long 'tubular' like parking lot so u bet ur *** i was slidin aroud like it was a small oval track usin my ebrake, it kiked much ***! lol

i agree some drifters have control, some don't, some autocrossers have control, some don't...(the vette sliding off into a camera man or over a hill comes to mind) you all know wut vid im talking about

id love to autocross, but i can't til i get some more handling mods for my car than find a place in my area (st louis) that has it.

 

the car really does not make a HUGE deal in autocross, I went out in a 1995 Accord Auto EX and KILLED most of the people there. I did it to prove a point, it's driver 1st car 2nd.

 

Drifting requires no skill??? Trying hanging your car completely sideways around a hairpin turn, or even a sweeping right/left hander. It requires a lot more skill then you'll ever have. Who wins in racing?? You obviously dont know that about 75% of people who watch races only watch to see a wreck. Now tell me who wins.

 

Fun, a thread about drifting.
When something is new and different, people flock to it like moths to a flame. But, that is what drifting is, something new that looks cool, and makes us look like the Duke boys. Yee haw. Yes, drifting has been going on over seas for a while, but it is new to the US.
It is something for kids to get videos about and dream about doing in the local parking lot or mountain runs (try not to throw your car off the cliff).
I will admit, drifting takes skill, but the other form, "Grip" Driving, takes skill also. "Grip" is the form that most people and race car drivers use. Rally uses both. In the end, Drift only helps in very tight mountain turns where you can drift the car around the turn to maintain engine RPM and speed so you do not fall out of the powerband.
Something like 180 (for Georgia drivers) offers a couple places to drift. There is a turn that you have to drift a little is you want to remain in the power band. But, most roads and race courses are not going to have many turns where drifting will help. Drifting in those situations is good for showing off, but will not get you through faster.
Does drifting look cool:
Yes
Does drift driving take skill:
Yes, but all driving techniques take skill and practice
Does it help:
Most of the time, No
Will either grip of drift driving styles get you laid:
No

My thoughts...

 

actually, using the ebrake to begin a drift is one of the safer methods. it's actually recommended for beginners. it can be used at lower speeds and doesnt require the drive to focus too much on weight shifting before entering the corner which then allows him to concentrate more on controlling the car thru the drift.

i sense that many people confuse drifting as a technique in competitive racing. aside from rally racing and touge, drifting thru corners, like say a carousel, is grossly inefficient (at least for now). not only will you lose sec.s of lap times, you will also leave most of your ultra expensive tires on the pavement. hell even in the drift bible dvd, tsuchiya compares his lap times between a "show drift" and "fast drift". he was able to clock in 3sec quicker with the fast drift and would have been even faster if had he gripped thru the course. but im sure there are exceptions even in gt races where drifting thru a tight little hairpin will allow you to shorten the gap with the car in front of you.

with that said, drifting is still a relative new comer to autosports. i think that there is tremendous potential with this style. maybe someday, a dude will come along and shock the racing world by incorporating drifting with his standard grip style.

 

wow i cant belive anyone that owns an evo would diss drifting when the dam thing is a rally racer.......its not made for the strip......thats the reason for 4WD.....either theres a bunch of amatures on here with to much money or theres amatures with not enough money and too much time..its just plain sad.

doing burnouts and taking a car sideways is the most fun you could have a car something we probably all done when learning to drive.....so sorry i dunno if alot of americans are just a bunch of rookie ricers or what but now i know why no good cars are getting relesed here...
- because theres no passion in it here. thats why the japs screwed us by making the U.S spec inferior to the jap spec.

Now you know

dont like drifting then sell your evo for a mustang or something .

 

well said. and i am pretty sure about half the racers in the u.s. are ricers. it is sad to say but it is true. i see so many ricetezza tail lights in my area it makes me sick. they are giving imports a bad name. i hate having four door civics rolling on blacks with ricetessa tail lights and hood led lights trying to race my evo. makes my four door look bad.

 

you might not understand drifting, but the rest of the world does, and so does the scca. read this article..

they think drifting is the next big thing....

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/autoindustry/8812/

 

i think it's just stupid to compare drifting with actual race driving..they are completely different. it's like running is to dancing..

OT: eron, i got that in the mail too, it's good to see the track close to my grandma's house too (Maze Circuit)

 

ok. first off. pulling the ebrake in a fwd is not drifting. thats just fwd fun. powersliding?? drifting is an art form of racing-- if you ever go to japan or read up on drifting, you will realize that drifitng is not just "lets put some **** on this and slide it". it requires a lot of time to tune and get the car perfectly balanced. drifitng would require a car to just take turns completely sideway, linking every corner with skill. "mad skillzzzz" if you must. but hey, some people prefer grip over drift anyday--drifitng is just fun to watch and mess with. leave it to the pros and the track--those imports who try it are just dumb. much like those who illegally street race..both are just as dangerous