Drifting..............[MERGED]
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Your name says it all; anyway I am done dealing with the stupid people aka drifters.
FACT: It's slower around a track
FACT: There is no way to tell who is faster or better
FACT: It's trendy so all the 16 year old dumbasses with evo's love it.
In drifting, the cars are going around the corners much more slowly than they are capable of going. That gives them a large margin for error. A car getting sideways on a roadcourse because you're trying to go around the corner faster than it's capable of going is much different--you don't have the luxury of being at 1/2 speed. Every time a car spins on a roadcourse isn't because of the driver's lack of "Mad Drifting Skilz." While some practice at that may help to some extent, don't think because a good drifter can get sideways all day while impressing the judges means he wouldn't lose it on a roadcourse (while trying to go fast).
I'll bet you a beer the next time you're in DFW that the first time the SCCA has any real turnout for one of these events, they end up having to deal with an overabundance of parking lot burnouts and e-brake slides and it turns into a "Why you gotta be a hatah?" scene.
1) Drifting takes skill
2) Drifting is fun
3) Drifting is not the fast way to drive
4) Drifting should not cut into my track time
5) The predominant adopters of the "drifting scene" are kidz with no respect for safety on the street.
Go spend an afternoon searching the import boards for the term "drift" and ask yourself if those kids are ready for the track.
FACT: It's slower around a track
FACT: There is no way to tell who is faster or better
FACT: It's trendy so all the 16 year old dumbasses with evo's love it.
In drifting, the cars are going around the corners much more slowly than they are capable of going. That gives them a large margin for error. A car getting sideways on a roadcourse because you're trying to go around the corner faster than it's capable of going is much different--you don't have the luxury of being at 1/2 speed. Every time a car spins on a roadcourse isn't because of the driver's lack of "Mad Drifting Skilz." While some practice at that may help to some extent, don't think because a good drifter can get sideways all day while impressing the judges means he wouldn't lose it on a roadcourse (while trying to go fast).
I'll bet you a beer the next time you're in DFW that the first time the SCCA has any real turnout for one of these events, they end up having to deal with an overabundance of parking lot burnouts and e-brake slides and it turns into a "Why you gotta be a hatah?" scene.
1) Drifting takes skill
2) Drifting is fun
3) Drifting is not the fast way to drive
4) Drifting should not cut into my track time
5) The predominant adopters of the "drifting scene" are kidz with no respect for safety on the street.
Go spend an afternoon searching the import boards for the term "drift" and ask yourself if those kids are ready for the track.
Originally posted by SidewaysEvo
dynoking your a idiot and shut your face. Don't rag on sum thing u don't even know about. Drifting is a skill. not one that u have to learn but still it is a skill. I am sure sum people think what u do with you car is stupid to. if u were a real car enthusiast u would appreciate the art. If it wasn't for the drifters in Japan we would have a lot of the parts we have now for our cars. So all I have to say is do sum research into the subject and actually try to drift your car before u just say it is stupid. Its no as easy as it looks.
dynoking your a idiot and shut your face. Don't rag on sum thing u don't even know about. Drifting is a skill. not one that u have to learn but still it is a skill. I am sure sum people think what u do with you car is stupid to. if u were a real car enthusiast u would appreciate the art. If it wasn't for the drifters in Japan we would have a lot of the parts we have now for our cars. So all I have to say is do sum research into the subject and actually try to drift your car before u just say it is stupid. Its no as easy as it looks.
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drifting has been the rage for more than 10 years in japan, and most of the professionals are way over 30 years old. so your response that this is a kid thing is wayyy off. it might be slower, but takes way more skill to execute, if you have seen a professional compitition, its pretty amazing imo.
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Hey Dynoking, how about the fact that your car was designed by the Jananese. Most of the hypo parts we put in these cars are designed by the Japanese. Most of the hypo parts made in the states are based on design theories that came from where? Japan.
Most of the tuners in Japan are into and build cars for drifting compatition. A lot of these cars are also used for time attack compitition, which is the sport you are representing. I don't understand why you are bashing a sport there are a lot of people who are into both. Most of the people you are bashing in this forum are into both. Why can't you just appreciate it for what it is. So it's a little different from what your into. That doesn't mean the people who are into it are stupid.
Drifting does take a lot of skill, and it seems to me that you havn't had much exposure to it. If you don't understand ask questions, if you don't like it that's fine, too. Just don't bash the rest of us for having an interest.
Most of the tuners in Japan are into and build cars for drifting compatition. A lot of these cars are also used for time attack compitition, which is the sport you are representing. I don't understand why you are bashing a sport there are a lot of people who are into both. Most of the people you are bashing in this forum are into both. Why can't you just appreciate it for what it is. So it's a little different from what your into. That doesn't mean the people who are into it are stupid.
Drifting does take a lot of skill, and it seems to me that you havn't had much exposure to it. If you don't understand ask questions, if you don't like it that's fine, too. Just don't bash the rest of us for having an interest.
FACT: it is slower around the track, but the idea is to put on a show and to see how much control u have over your car.
FACT: Its not trendy we are just finally realizing how much skill it takes to drift
FACT: People who say drifting is a waste of time and is stupid obviously don't how hard it is to do
FACT: Its not trendy we are just finally realizing how much skill it takes to drift
FACT: People who say drifting is a waste of time and is stupid obviously don't how hard it is to do
Originally posted by bobaab
AGAIN, what did i say about comparing those two types of driving? this argument is so stupid..
AGAIN, what did i say about comparing those two types of driving? this argument is so stupid..
But if you wanna be a whining little ***** who has nothing to do but be the "big man who can auto-x better than any drifter", more power to you. You just need to open your eyes and realize that this post should have had NOTHING to do with auto-x'ing and its your fault for bringing it in.
So please, get back on topic and we dont give a **** about your auto-x experience in a thread about drifting. Go start your own thread.
Back on topic, I have the Vivid racing video of the drifting and its pretty cool. And ofcourse 1/2 of the board has played NFSU and its drift competitions hehe. So crazy. Anyone know where the big drift races take place here on the west coast cause I wanna go there and watch.
~Malak
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Closed for cleaning. Stupid OT posts that do not have anything pertaining to the intended point of this thread, will be DELETED. If it continues, thread bans as well as warnings will be given out.
EDIT: Opened and merged.
EDIT: Opened and merged.
Last edited by LancerEvoMR; Dec 21, 2003 at 06:29 AM.
Drfiting.......the sequel
So the drifting thread got closed.
I thought it would. It got ugly, because a lot of people started throwing comments around that would get moderated.
But, I feel a need to share my thoughts, and after a few shots, vodka tonics, and other fun things, I feel I am free to have one free thinking thread of drunking thoughts on this topic. Don't worry, I left the Evo at home and had a friend do the driving. My car is too important to risk for a run to the local club.
Drifting....it looks darn cool. I was at Nopi, and I saw the Silvias put on an awesome show in the parking lot. I saw them drift around cones and fellow drift drivers. It was an awesome display of control.
But, the debate is.....if you are on a track or leading a group of drivers through the mountains, will drifting help. That is the debate I am adressing. We are not professional drivers, we are weekend warriors with fast cars. If we were masters of the driving sport, we would be on TV and not participating in this discussion.
There are two primary forms of driving technique, Drift and Grip. Each have their place in the sport and when used properly, will keep you ahead of the other drivers. If you focus on just one, you will not master all the aspects of a sprorts car.
Then you have the Evo 8. A great car, based on a rally race car. The reason I say based is because the actual rally car will kick our cars butt. But, we have the turbo engine and AWD.
So this brings us to the debate, is drifting the way to go.
It depends on the situation. The goal is to get the car from point A to point B. I once read the Evo 6 was the fastest car from point A to B in the world. This was in 94 when I was in college. The point of their aurgument was that the Evo 6 could do everything well. This included drft and grip.
Drift dring is the slide we all love to watch in the videos and grip is the g force driving that magazines test to.
The point. You have to combine both to master all driving conditions. If you are in a tight mountain road, you have to maintain speed and control. By maintaining speed you maintain engine rpms. This is hp. If you come into a tight 180 degree turn, that might be a 2nd gear turn, you can fall out of the power band and the car falls on it's face. You have to wait to build hp and boost. This is if you rely on grip. If you use drift then you slide the car around the turn, keeping your rpms up and maintain boost. Also you keep the nose on track and use the tail to steer the car. But this is not just a power slide that I see many people use. This is controlled drift, and to do this with an Evo requires a little more than stabbing the throttle. You come into the turn, at the last minute steer to the opposite direction, then steer into the turn and stab the throttle, after heal toeing the car through the braking zone. This upsets the car and makes it loose. You then keep the nose on target and control rotation with the throttle. If you over correct with the steering, the feedback will create an over correction. Done right this technique will help you with 180 degree 2nd and 1st gear turns. The steering technique is used to upset the tail, allowing the AWD and a little steering to drift the car. Remember, our front tires want to help too, so the tail has to be upset to allow the rotation.
Then you have the 3rd gear turns. You know them, the 45 to 80 mph turns. With these turns you need grip. You need the car locked into the turn and carrying the speed and power to get through the turn. You also need the proper line to make the shortest distance through the turn. This is the style most of us use.
That is the basics. But there is a kicker. The kicker is car set-up. Look at the drift cars. They have alignments that help to drift the car. With my Evo, I have front and rear camber to help with grip (1.7 and 1.4), but I also have 0 toe to the front wheels and my rear wheels are toed out. This creates a bastardized 4 wheel steer. When I load one side of my car, the rear wheels toes out increasing my turn-in. At throttle, over steer in attained. With the drift turning methods (steering and thottle input) described earlier, and the ability to kick the tail out is magnified.
The point. Each method, Grip or Drift will help in the right situations, but only if used together. If you use only drift, then you look cool, have fun, but might be a little slower. If you use just grip, then you could lose out in the low speed turns.
But my primary point.
Will grip or drift driving get you laid:
NO
Good night.
I thought it would. It got ugly, because a lot of people started throwing comments around that would get moderated.
But, I feel a need to share my thoughts, and after a few shots, vodka tonics, and other fun things, I feel I am free to have one free thinking thread of drunking thoughts on this topic. Don't worry, I left the Evo at home and had a friend do the driving. My car is too important to risk for a run to the local club.
Drifting....it looks darn cool. I was at Nopi, and I saw the Silvias put on an awesome show in the parking lot. I saw them drift around cones and fellow drift drivers. It was an awesome display of control.
But, the debate is.....if you are on a track or leading a group of drivers through the mountains, will drifting help. That is the debate I am adressing. We are not professional drivers, we are weekend warriors with fast cars. If we were masters of the driving sport, we would be on TV and not participating in this discussion.
There are two primary forms of driving technique, Drift and Grip. Each have their place in the sport and when used properly, will keep you ahead of the other drivers. If you focus on just one, you will not master all the aspects of a sprorts car.
Then you have the Evo 8. A great car, based on a rally race car. The reason I say based is because the actual rally car will kick our cars butt. But, we have the turbo engine and AWD.
So this brings us to the debate, is drifting the way to go.
It depends on the situation. The goal is to get the car from point A to point B. I once read the Evo 6 was the fastest car from point A to B in the world. This was in 94 when I was in college. The point of their aurgument was that the Evo 6 could do everything well. This included drft and grip.
Drift dring is the slide we all love to watch in the videos and grip is the g force driving that magazines test to.
The point. You have to combine both to master all driving conditions. If you are in a tight mountain road, you have to maintain speed and control. By maintaining speed you maintain engine rpms. This is hp. If you come into a tight 180 degree turn, that might be a 2nd gear turn, you can fall out of the power band and the car falls on it's face. You have to wait to build hp and boost. This is if you rely on grip. If you use drift then you slide the car around the turn, keeping your rpms up and maintain boost. Also you keep the nose on track and use the tail to steer the car. But this is not just a power slide that I see many people use. This is controlled drift, and to do this with an Evo requires a little more than stabbing the throttle. You come into the turn, at the last minute steer to the opposite direction, then steer into the turn and stab the throttle, after heal toeing the car through the braking zone. This upsets the car and makes it loose. You then keep the nose on target and control rotation with the throttle. If you over correct with the steering, the feedback will create an over correction. Done right this technique will help you with 180 degree 2nd and 1st gear turns. The steering technique is used to upset the tail, allowing the AWD and a little steering to drift the car. Remember, our front tires want to help too, so the tail has to be upset to allow the rotation.
Then you have the 3rd gear turns. You know them, the 45 to 80 mph turns. With these turns you need grip. You need the car locked into the turn and carrying the speed and power to get through the turn. You also need the proper line to make the shortest distance through the turn. This is the style most of us use.
That is the basics. But there is a kicker. The kicker is car set-up. Look at the drift cars. They have alignments that help to drift the car. With my Evo, I have front and rear camber to help with grip (1.7 and 1.4), but I also have 0 toe to the front wheels and my rear wheels are toed out. This creates a bastardized 4 wheel steer. When I load one side of my car, the rear wheels toes out increasing my turn-in. At throttle, over steer in attained. With the drift turning methods (steering and thottle input) described earlier, and the ability to kick the tail out is magnified.
The point. Each method, Grip or Drift will help in the right situations, but only if used together. If you use only drift, then you look cool, have fun, but might be a little slower. If you use just grip, then you could lose out in the low speed turns.
But my primary point.
Will grip or drift driving get you laid:
NO
Good night.
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This was in 94 when I was in college. The point of their aurgument was that the Evo 6 could do everything well. This included drft and grip.
Uh. Drift = entertainment. Drift = fun. Drift = fast? Gimme a break.
If drift were an effective, safe, and/or efficient (tire wear) technique, then maybe you would see it in professional racing sports. But it's not. Unless we are talking about rally, but that's something different altogether.
Someone's been watching too many drift videos or too much Initial D...
If drift were an effective, safe, and/or efficient (tire wear) technique, then maybe you would see it in professional racing sports. But it's not. Unless we are talking about rally, but that's something different altogether.
Someone's been watching too many drift videos or too much Initial D...
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Unless you know the road that you are going to be drifting on 100% then you shouldn't even think about drifting.
And it's been said before, drifing is not the fastest way around the corner.
Also to get an evo to drift you will have to be going at a pretty decent speed.
And it's been said before, drifing is not the fastest way around the corner.
Also to get an evo to drift you will have to be going at a pretty decent speed.
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Re: Drfiting.......the sequel
Originally posted by Racer RS X
I once read the Evo 6 was the fastest car from point A to B in the world. This was in 94 when I was in college.
I once read the Evo 6 was the fastest car from point A to B in the world. This was in 94 when I was in college.
Originally posted by zstryder
If drift were an effective, safe, and/or efficient (tire wear) technique, then maybe you would see it in professional racing sports. But it's not.
If drift were an effective, safe, and/or efficient (tire wear) technique, then maybe you would see it in professional racing sports. But it's not.
There are way too many people that criticize drifting when they know nothing about it. It's not powersliding and showing off. When drifting was first coming to be, it was all about speed. Keiichi “Drift King” Tsuchiya competed in normal "grip" racing events and he beat everyone for a while by drifting. Drifting allows you to take the ideal line around corners while maintaining speed and power. In todays world, drifting is about more than that. Yes, there are many show drift competitions and showcase car control and just crazy stuff. But drifting started out as all about racing, which is still a part of drifting. There are 2 sides to it today, race and show. For example, bikes, there are race competitions and show competitions for bikes. This is no different, just a style of driving. I wish people would stop downing something they know nothing about. Come to japan and go to drift events, legal or illegal, in person and find out what it's about.
Sorry for the long post, i'm just sick of people criticizing what they don't understand. Go buy the drift bible and learn something from the drift king.
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Well, considering I live in Japan I can probobly shed some light on this subject. Every weekend Japanese people come from HOURS away to drift their cars at the Hachinohe drift pad. It's a huge concrete pad on a dock. We set 2 cones up, and you drift around the cones. The things I have seen Japanese people do with their cars is amazing. And for the people who say drifting isn't fun, or sucks...have you tried it? I tried drifting in my 93 evo and loved it! It sure was a thrill drifting my evo next to Skylines, Silvias, Supras, 180's, hell even a Hachi Roku (86 Trueno..). I think I may have some videos that I'm sure would change all of your minds about drifting 
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I hope a lot of you people realize that NO PERSON here is trying to say that drifting is the faster way to go in a road race. Yes, you can go fast while drifting which equals a car that is moving fast, that also happens to be drifting. In no way does this translate into a drifting being the fast-ER method of choice.
Originally posted by SilverEvo8owner
I hope a lot of you people realize that NO PERSON here is trying to say that drifting is the faster way to go in a road race. Yes, you can go fast while drifting which equals a car that is moving fast, that also happens to be drifting. In no way does this translate into a drifting being the fast-ER method of choice.
I hope a lot of you people realize that NO PERSON here is trying to say that drifting is the faster way to go in a road race. Yes, you can go fast while drifting which equals a car that is moving fast, that also happens to be drifting. In no way does this translate into a drifting being the fast-ER method of choice.
