I understand that HP should be relevent to your skill/set up level. However, I would like to know how much HP most track goers run.

I'm shooting for a solid 500whp and TQ that is close to it on my set up which can be read in my sig and I'm looking to use the car for track days every now and then.

Should I have two tunes? one for a lower power level to match my skill and current suspension set up (which isnt much yet, just some swift springs on MR struts with a rear sway bar) and one for my daily driving (kill mode)?

what are your opinions on this? the car wont only see a Road Race oriented track. I'll go up to fontana every now and then for a couple 1/4 mile passes a year as well.

any input would be great. thanks!

 

I run 385whp/339wtq on the socal tracks. I feel i want 450/400wtq. then again i feel i need aero too.

1:23.9 sow ccw
1:24.0 sow cw
1:33.7 wsir
2:01.3 bw 13cw

Goals
1:22.9 sow ccw
1:22.9 sow cw
1:30.0 wsir
1:57.9 bw 13cw

If you are new to tracking 330whp is more than plenty for your first 10 track days. Based on your sig you are probably hitting 450whp anyways. So i would just detune it for less power. You will learn faster and shave more time with less power. Then you can turn it up once you can outdrive that setup.

 

Interesting. I'm leaning towards having two tunes. one for high HP and one for my driving abilities.

that WSIR time that you posted. is it the Big track? if so then you faster in your car then I am on my bike hahaha.

I will be 100% new to tracking a car so I'm really not sure where I will stand. I'm going to email the shop who is doing the work for me while im deployed and let them know about the lower power tune. I will take your information into consideration for sure. thank for the input!

I'm sorry to seem retarded lol but what are the abbriviations other than WSIR? is BW for big willow?

 

Being high hp and awd will cover up a lot of mistakes with a novice driver. I would say run as low power as you can and when you get comfotable on track, work on speed through the corners. The first couple times you'll probably lay out the anchor in the breaking zones and rely on you power to pull you out of the corner.

Here is something to think about when you're done with the basics and begin getting faster....

The way to good lap times is slow in.... fast out.
The way to great lap times is fast in..... faster out.

 

I like being at 630ish 500ish tq , pump 93 enough to make magic.

 

I have been running around 320ish WHP for the past several years. My car has progressed in every step besides power it seems (I.E.Fully gutted, Full Aero, etc) I feel I and the car are maxed out at the current levels. I am currently having the motor built right now. My new power goal is 450whp and up.

 

I run just over 400 whp / 370 wtq on cut 93/100 octane gas right now. It's more than enough power for my current aero, but I'll be converting to E85 soon which will be cheaper than cut gas, safer for the motor, and produce more power. After E85/speed density/exhaust mods I should be ~500 whp and I need to start looking seriously at improved aero like a full splitter, canards, and a gt wing. For what its worth, I invested in suspension and safety long before power. The car is gutted, caged, with fixed race buckets, 6-pt harnesses, sway bars, coilovers, camber plates etc. I highly recommend focusing on suspension and safety before going for big power.

 

sow - streets of willow
wsir - willow springs big track
bw - buttonwillow

Yes, the 1:33 was at the big track. I believe with a better line and bigger ***** through 1, 8 and 9, a 1:31 is possible.

I would concentrate more on safety, then brakes, then suspension, then tires, then power.

 

I'm at 425whp 402wtq on E85...Like everyone else is saying, the key to great lap times is learning how to brake properly and how to enter and exit a corner...You will make up the most time in the corners if you learn good techniques from the start

 

I've been running about 400whp/400wtq (dynojet) for a majority of this year. For my first few events I ran about 350whp/350wtq to get comfortable with the car first though (pretty much started road racing this year). More power would be nice, but I feel that I haven't gotten 100% comfortable with my current power level, so i'll be staying around 400/400 for quite a few more events. Once I get some aero I might bump up the power 20-30whp though

 

thanks for all of the input guys. The reason why power happened to be the main focus was be into "playing" on the street and big power in a straight line was pretty much all I wanted. thats pretty much why I didnt focus on suspension or aero as of yet but it's high on the list!

I've tracked my bike on Big Willow and Chukawalla but never thought about taking a car to the track until a couple months ago.

so pretty much a low power tune so I can focus on my techniques is the general idea then. cool, I'm going to try and have the best of both worlds by having two tunes but one of them will be 100% dedicated to the track with a low to mid 300whp in mind.

how many of you guys (who have MR's or MR Bilsteins) stayed with them for a while before upgrading to coilovers? My buddy is telling me that I should stay with my current set up (MR Bilsteins and swift lowering springs) until I max those out.

also, for saftey, is everyone talking about a cage and 6 point harness? I'm not sure if I can go as "extreme" as you Blackenedwings but I would like to get a 5,6 point harness. I take it that people dont rely much on the cucso cages due it's mainly show aspect?

for brakes, do you guys mean just pads and SS lines? or do you mean upgrade the Brembos? (sorry, I always thought that brembos were the sh*t when it came to brakes).

Pure EvoIX: thats fast man. My friend on his highly tuned 2008 CBR 1000 barely made 1:32 on that track and my fastest time is...well...lame hahaha at around 1:48 with my old 2003 R6.
turn 1 made my heart skip a beat after going ***** to the wall on that straight and trying to out brake the other riders! I know what you mean about turn 8 and 9. I tried to keep on the throttle but I would end up cruising through it without realizing it.

thanks for the reply's guys.

 

I ran on my Bilsteins w/swift springs for about a year. Switched over to KW's now I am running AST's. There is no need to dump a ton of money in suspension right off the bat. Dump money into seat time.

Cusco=Cruscos. Most sanctioning bodys will not allow 5/6 points with out the proper seat and mounting provisions. (I.E. Fixed seat, Harness Bar, Roll Bar, Roll Cage)

Some good fluid, lines and pads and cooling is where it is at. There are several companies that offer great products. I myself run Carbotech pads. Carbotech has great tech support they will provide with any info you need (pad compound selection etc.)

 

Yeah I went from coilovers back to mr bilsteins because I wasn't a good enough driver to fully utilize coilovers yet I stuck with the bilsteins for 3-4 track events before I outgrew them and needed something that could run more camber (coilovers) For brakes I would just get a fresh set of centric premium blanks, some good pads like raybestos st43, carbotech xp10 or higher, hawk dtc70, and some SS lines as well I haven't gotten a cage/harness bar yet even though I know I need to get one ASAP

 

cool, so I guess i'm going to just stay with my Swift springs and Bilsteins for a while until I can get better and just use my money for seat time.

it's a shame those Cusco's are no good. they sure look pretty hahaha. I'll slowly move up more in the "safety" area until I have a roll cage and such but i'm sure that will take some time.

I'm going to look into those brake pads as well.

Are your cages custom? or bought on line?

 

379.23hp and 412.93tq is the exact power/torque combination for every single road course you will ever encounter.