4 point harness
How much movement does that belt allow? How's the comfort, does it rub on your neck at all? Could I mount the belt to a harness bar? I have one I will be using until I get my cage installed.
I do plan on designing and having a cage made that will allow for a sun roof and a back seat so I can fit at least 4 people in my car. I know that isn't a 100% full race cage, I bought a 4 door for a reason. I think the cage will pass tech spec and allow for real safety. I would like to pad as much of the cage as possible to avoid injuries to passengers since most of the time my car will be on the street.
I do plan on designing and having a cage made that will allow for a sun roof and a back seat so I can fit at least 4 people in my car. I know that isn't a 100% full race cage, I bought a 4 door for a reason. I think the cage will pass tech spec and allow for real safety. I would like to pad as much of the cage as possible to avoid injuries to passengers since most of the time my car will be on the street.
Warning: Using a fully locked up 4 point harness on the street is not safe. In a frontal impact your neck will disconnect itself & death or paralysis possible. Your upper torso has to have some fwd movement in a frontal impact. Also, The Schroth belts have the ASM safety feature (anti-submarine). Read about it. It has a strap release feature to allow additional fwd movement in the event of a frontal impact
It doesent rub my neck in any way. Dont think you could mount the AutoControl to a harness bar or roll bar. The reel must be mounted to a certified reel mount. Mine is mounted to the middle seat reel point
Peace, Joe
...Warning: Using a fully locked up 4 point harness on the street is not safe. In a frontal impact your neck will disconnect itself & death or paralysis possible. Your upper torso has to have some fwd movement in a frontal impact. Also, The Schroth belts have the ASM safety feature (anti-submarine). Read about it. It has a strap release feature to allow additional fwd movement in the event of a frontal impact ....
What would be the difference of not driving on the street without an Hans device and a 4 point? Seems like you just replicated the same scnario.
That being said Viper ACR's back in the day came with harnesses and were street legal, so at that time it passed gov. safety standards... and I believe there are newer cars which do as well.
Also, more commonly today, cars are being equpit with seatbelt pre-tensioners, a charged explosive device which tightens the lap/sholder belt to decrease the torso motion in the even of a crash, reacts faster than the inertia tensioner.
Joe do you know this to be 100% true?
What would be the difference of not driving on the street without an Hans device and a 4 point? Seems like you just replicated the same scnario.
That being said Viper ACR's back in the day came with harnesses and were street legal, so at that time it passed gov. safety standards... and I believe there are newer cars which do as well.
Also, more commonly today, cars are being equpit with seatbelt pre-tensioners, a charged explosive device which tightens the lap/sholder belt to decrease the torso motion in the even of a crash, reacts faster than the inertia tensioner.
What would be the difference of not driving on the street without an Hans device and a 4 point? Seems like you just replicated the same scnario.
That being said Viper ACR's back in the day came with harnesses and were street legal, so at that time it passed gov. safety standards... and I believe there are newer cars which do as well.
Also, more commonly today, cars are being equpit with seatbelt pre-tensioners, a charged explosive device which tightens the lap/sholder belt to decrease the torso motion in the even of a crash, reacts faster than the inertia tensioner.
Dont work for NHTSA or Schroth.
My belief is that any locked up harness w/out a HANS is not optimum & potentially dangerous
On the street, the safety belts & air bags are to work together as a system. One not to be used w/out the other IMO.
I feel that using the Schroth Auto Control in conjunction w/ the air bag is the safest way to go on the street or track (If I ever convert over to a full 4 or 5 point harness I will certainly be using a HANS or similar restraint system
Heres a test performed by Schroth that shows how the system works.
Joe
http://www.schrothracing.com/docs/SchrothASMII.wmv
Last edited by MinusPrevious; Jun 8, 2012 at 08:05 AM.
Dont work for NHTSA or Schroth.
My belief is that any locked up harness w/out a HANS is not optimum & potentially dangerous
On the street, the safety belts & air bags are to work together as a system. One not to be used w/out the other IMO.
I feel that using the Schroth Auto Control in conjunction w/ the air bag is the safest way to go on the street or track (If I ever convert over to a full 4 or 5 point harness I will certainly be using a HANS or similar restraint system
Heres a test performed by Schroth that shows how the system works.
Joe
http://www.schrothracing.com/docs/SchrothASMII.wmv
My belief is that any locked up harness w/out a HANS is not optimum & potentially dangerous
On the street, the safety belts & air bags are to work together as a system. One not to be used w/out the other IMO.
I feel that using the Schroth Auto Control in conjunction w/ the air bag is the safest way to go on the street or track (If I ever convert over to a full 4 or 5 point harness I will certainly be using a HANS or similar restraint system
Heres a test performed by Schroth that shows how the system works.
Joe
http://www.schrothracing.com/docs/SchrothASMII.wmv
Wow that does look pretty nice.. My only issue with this setup is I'm trying to keep my back seats. Is there any viable option? I am okay with not having room for a middle passenger as I don't want 5 people in my car anyways..
You can run both the stock belts & the Schroth & still carry 4 passengers. You just need to use the quick disconnect
LOL I should work for Schroth
. Really just like showing off my system because I like it so much & no one else runs it. EDIT: One added pic of my little beast if you dont mindJoe
Last edited by MinusPrevious; Jun 8, 2012 at 10:57 AM.
Warning: Using a fully locked up 4 point harness on the street is not safe. In a frontal impact your neck will disconnect itself & death or paralysis possible. Your upper torso has to have some fwd movement in a frontal impact. Also, The Schroth belts have the ASM safety feature (anti-submarine). Read about it. It has a strap release feature to allow additional fwd movement in the event of a frontal impact
It's not going to be pretty, but all that fear mongering is greatly reduced
You can see the fold in the pic to the left of the clip on the right harness strap going to the seat
actually joe, Scroth does sell a 4pt harness that is DOT approved. On the rear of the harness behind the seat they sew in a folded flap in the harness that breaks away in an impact allowing your right shoulder to slip out of the harness.
It's not going to be pretty, but all that fear mongering is greatly reduced
You can see the fold in the pic to the left of the clip on the right harness strap going to the seat
It's not going to be pretty, but all that fear mongering is greatly reduced
You can see the fold in the pic to the left of the clip on the right harness strap going to the seat
Also, That sewn in flap, covered w/ the plastic cover is the limited break-a-way that allows just enough body rotation during a frontal to prevent the submarining effect. It certainly does not allow your right shoulder to slip out
Joe
