So im new here and wanting to start building my engine i have found a 2.4 4g64 and was thinking a long rod build with 6466 or 6766? Im not giving myself a budget on this build. I intend to have this car forever once i get it and finish it. This will not be a daily driver by anymeans but would like the reliability of a daily from it. Im one that likes to drive my cars a lot and the evo will be no exception.

Here is what my goal is for the car. I want to be able to make around 500-600awhp for street tune, also would like a second map for the times at the strip making around 800awhp. Now i want to be able to do this without pushing everything to its absolute limit, again because i want it to last a long time.

So if you were to do your build over again, and money was no issue how would you do it?

I havent picked up my block yet as im still deciding as to how it should be done. So that is why im asking how you would do things given a second chance.

Fyi im not new to the turbo car world i come from the dsm world so i know the potential these cars have and what works and doesnt. This isnt my first rodeo doing a built car. However is gonna be my first evo.

 

Honestly the 4g64 is the way to go in my opinion. I like low end power and thats the way to do it. If I smoke my 2.3 stroker I'm def going the 4g64 option. The 4g64 may be slightly limited in top end power as you can't rev too high but there are plenty of guys who've made huge power with them. 4g64 ftw!

 

If you dont have unlimited funds, just go with a FP red or black on e85 full bolt ons. Have the tuner limit the torque to 400ft lbs and let the HP climb at will on the stock block. If we are talking anything possible, buy Buschur/AMS lightweight mods and try to reduce the weight to 3000lbs no driver. Then just enjoy it for its simplicity.

I too got caught in the LARGE frame turbo hype and 1.5 years later my build is still not finished. Yes it might be worth it in the end but ive missed so many precious moments not being able to enjoy my EVO. Its a long dark road to perfection, most end up giving up along the way or just being unsatisfied in the end with the lag or unstreetable-ness of the build.

Do yourself a favor and keep it simple, it will still be fast just not blistering fast.

 

+1

 

Im intending this build to take about 4 to 5 years and i want power and dependable which isnt normally a good combo because they dont work well. I believe in self control though so im not going to beat it everywhere i go. Im glad to hear opinions keep them coming

 

good info for a newbie like me trying to decide on parts

 

800whp and dependable do not go hand in hand. Plan on bearing changes as part of your maintenance schedule.

 

4G64 (At least LR's) are not limited on top end power.

 

1) Whoever is building the motor is going to determine how reliable the motor will be.

2) Once you experience spending thousands of dollars and waiting a long time (Things never go according to schedule), then something happens that necessitates more money being spent and more time waiting (Spun Rod bearing, trans rebuild shortly after engine rebuild, tcase deathwhine, clutch, turbo.....you name it anything could happen) then you start being paranoid at every little noise and every little creak........you start being afraid to beat on your car because you don't want to rebuild it again.

3) When going arpund a corner and accelerating is scary on public roads and your car no longer is a car but a heat seeking missle.


WHat I'm trying to say is, to most people high horsepower sounds awesome. Th reality of it is way more un-glamourous. Quality of machine work, shop work (if you arent doing it yourself), paranoia at something else going wrongafter spending a lot of money and downtime.

Just because the platform is capable of the power.....doesn't mean you should do it. My car was THE most fun at 450ish HP. Do yourself a favour and stay there. Honestly. There is a pattern on this site when it comes to high horsepower evo's (unless they drag race vehicles.

Its possible to have a reliable high horsepower evo, but the chances of you having issues are greatly increased.

Good luck

 

Built engine/built trans until those are sorted out keep the stock turbo

 

I said the same thing just a few weeks ago my car was the most fun and reliable at around 450hp, lol. Its he truth.

 

If you'e been there or in my case done that more then once then you see it happen numerous times. its not rocket science. Every platform has a theoretical limit. I really think the Evo should be around 400-500 hp max in order to keep its fun factor.

 

+2 I have never built a evo engine before but I have built a couple DSM's

after years of time and thousands of dollars my dsm's were fast sounded awesome but I broke them every other week. Tcase snapped like tooth picks on that car. I eventually sold it and bought a evo.

I love the evo in stock form. So streeatble, reliable and the turning potentially is amazing. (autox guy here) With this car I wanted to take a whole knew approach....

Body, Paint, Aero, Suspension and reliability. currently running 349whp and I love it.

If I want more power it will be a CBRD bbk full or FP black.
There are a couple 1000hp evos running around where I am. Most of them are not streatable. I don't want that.

 

The price of the new FP products is cost prohibitive to me. My car was perfect on the BBK-Full. The highest I'd go is a BBK-C.

The cost of stock frame turbos once you through in all the extras is almost as bad as the big frame turbos.

 

Really, diagram out or map out your project so you take into account the supporting pieces needed to make the major pieces work, such as your fueling. I bought my car already built and then beat on it for a few months before deciding I wanted to clean things up on it like some R&R type stuff. Got it up to a reputable shop and had a bout a 3k budget planned out. Turns out, that became 8k because there were many issues with my car. Long story short, fixed a ton of problems from previous owner and probably some caused from my ignorance of not knowing some things were wrong and then beating on it causing additional problems. Then, when it was all said and done, I didn't even take into account that I should upgrade my fuel system some more. Ran out of pump at 613hp. I left probably 100hp on the table. But like has been said, prepare for the unexpected and make sure you stuff some $$$ under the mattress outside of your expected budget because you'll bust your budget guaranteed.

Edit: Do your build in the winter or early spring so that when you get your car back you can actually drive it in good weather lol. My project took about 2 months and now I'm in the ****ty weather season in North Tennessee so my Evo gets driven 1-2 days a week