Evo vs. WRX in SCC
Originally posted by BADWRX
Well, the Euro Evo is not "Detuned" Aside from the LHD, that is the same one that is on the road in Japan. This article was like commparing apples to oranges.
Let me be the first to tell you that a WRX with only a few mods, and coilovers, droplinks, and swaybars will run circles around the EVO on a track. Not to bash, because I love the EVO, but you just have to realize that the WRX is one quick car. One rand a 10.73 at Famoso last weekend (That is a North American record BTW).
I would probably stick with the WRX if the tranny was better, and SOA didn't cator to a bunch of rainbow loving dykes and ****. Instead Subaru chooses to shun its true enthusiasts and ride the gay rainbow. But it isn't, and they don't, so I am going to join the MMC crowd.
Andy
Well, the Euro Evo is not "Detuned" Aside from the LHD, that is the same one that is on the road in Japan. This article was like commparing apples to oranges.
Let me be the first to tell you that a WRX with only a few mods, and coilovers, droplinks, and swaybars will run circles around the EVO on a track. Not to bash, because I love the EVO, but you just have to realize that the WRX is one quick car. One rand a 10.73 at Famoso last weekend (That is a North American record BTW).
I would probably stick with the WRX if the tranny was better, and SOA didn't cator to a bunch of rainbow loving dykes and ****. Instead Subaru chooses to shun its true enthusiasts and ride the gay rainbow. But it isn't, and they don't, so I am going to join the MMC crowd.
Andy
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Originally posted by BADWRX
Let me be the first to tell you that a WRX with only a few mods, and coilovers, droplinks, and swaybars will run circles around the EVO on a track. :
Let me be the first to tell you that a WRX with only a few mods, and coilovers, droplinks, and swaybars will run circles around the EVO on a track. :
Originally posted by BADWRX
Not to bash, because I love the EVO, but you just have to realize that the WRX is one quick car. One rand a 10.73 at Famoso last weekend (That is a North American record BTW).
Not to bash, because I love the EVO, but you just have to realize that the WRX is one quick car. One rand a 10.73 at Famoso last weekend (That is a North American record BTW).
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From: Ny from HK
Originally posted by AN1MAL CH1N
yeah i read the one about bozz speed but they detuned the EVO cuz it was just too crazy...lol they had to detune it inorder to somewhat make it driveable.
yeah i read the one about bozz speed but they detuned the EVO cuz it was just too crazy...lol they had to detune it inorder to somewhat make it driveable.
and the 200+ lbs diet is just wow
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Originally posted by 2wdSQL
Well **** judging by the standard losses through an AWD drivetrain that would mean that the Evolution was making 352BHP
Well **** judging by the standard losses through an AWD drivetrain that would mean that the Evolution was making 352BHP
The dyno chart stated that the peak horsepower was 246 horsepower to the wheels. An AWD car at the most will lose 25% of it's power at the flywheel to friction in the driveline, AC, powersteering, alternator etc....
246/ (100%-25%) = 328 BHP
Even that number is too high. If Mitsubishi builds a car that has more parasitic drag than 25%, they need to get back on the drawing board and start to make some improvements. I think that 20% loss is acceptable.
246/ (100%-20%) = 282 BHP
Does anyone know if that EVO was modified in any way. If wish I could get a hold of the aricle.
Jeff
That Evo was a stock Euro spec Vll, which is the same as a JDM spec Vll.
Rated HP is 276, but as several magazines that have tested Evo Vll's state, the Evo is actually making 320hp and not the rated 276hp. Based on the vehicles weight and the performance #'s it posts, 0-60 and 1/4 mi.
If you take into account drive train loss about 24% for AWD, that 247whp equates to about 320hp to the crank.
Rated HP is 276, but as several magazines that have tested Evo Vll's state, the Evo is actually making 320hp and not the rated 276hp. Based on the vehicles weight and the performance #'s it posts, 0-60 and 1/4 mi.
If you take into account drive train loss about 24% for AWD, that 247whp equates to about 320hp to the crank.
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From: VA
Originally posted by JeffGST
Where the hell did you conjure up that number?
The dyno chart stated that the peak horsepower was 246 horsepower to the wheels. An AWD car at the most will lose 25% of it's power at the flywheel to friction in the driveline, AC, powersteering, alternator etc....
246/ (100%-25%) = 328 BHP
Even that number is too high. If Mitsubishi builds a car that has more parasitic drag than 25%, they need to get back on the drawing board and start to make some improvements. I think that 20% loss is acceptable.
246/ (100%-20%) = 282 BHP
Does anyone know if that EVO was modified in any way. If wish I could get a hold of the aricle.
Jeff
Where the hell did you conjure up that number?
The dyno chart stated that the peak horsepower was 246 horsepower to the wheels. An AWD car at the most will lose 25% of it's power at the flywheel to friction in the driveline, AC, powersteering, alternator etc....
246/ (100%-25%) = 328 BHP
Even that number is too high. If Mitsubishi builds a car that has more parasitic drag than 25%, they need to get back on the drawing board and start to make some improvements. I think that 20% loss is acceptable.
246/ (100%-20%) = 282 BHP
Does anyone know if that EVO was modified in any way. If wish I could get a hold of the aricle.
Jeff
Originally posted by JeffGST
Even that number is too high. If Mitsubishi builds a car that has more parasitic drag than 25%, they need to get back on the drawing board and start to make some improvements. I think that 20% loss is acceptable.
246/ (100%-20%) = 282 BHP
Does anyone know if that EVO was modified in any way. If wish I could get a hold of the aricle.
Jeff
Even that number is too high. If Mitsubishi builds a car that has more parasitic drag than 25%, they need to get back on the drawing board and start to make some improvements. I think that 20% loss is acceptable.
246/ (100%-20%) = 282 BHP
Does anyone know if that EVO was modified in any way. If wish I could get a hold of the aricle.
Jeff
246 / (100%-20%) = 246 / .80 = 307.5 BHP
Still very respectable numbers. I also believe the Evo VII was tested in stock Euro spec form with no additional modifications.
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From: Delta House, NYC
Cosmetics always can be changed, its whats under the hood....thats what counts the most. A ugly car front grille/bumper can be easily be replaced...its how the car preforms...especially since this car will carry the EVO Name in the US. Lets just hope it doesnt suck.
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Originally posted by BADWRX
Let me be the first to tell you that a WRX with only a few mods, and coilovers, droplinks, and swaybars will run circles around the EVO on a track.
Let me be the first to tell you that a WRX with only a few mods, and coilovers, droplinks, and swaybars will run circles around the EVO on a track.
And what if you mod the Evo the same way you suggest to mod that WRX?
If the basis is better, the final (tuned) car will be better, too.
Well, I have a video here, and all or the Sti's dating back to the Version 6 walked away from the lancers on the track, stock for stock! It is a JDM video. So, how can you say that it is a better base. Just so you guys know, the JDM STi EJ20 is running around 310 AWHP stock! Even though it is listed at 276. When I was speaking of adding a suspension, I was referring to the USDM WRX. I should take you for a ride in my car (When I get it on the road again). I have TEIN RA's, and 17x7.5 RH CP-035's, and Cusco swaybars (23mm rear and 21 front). I can hang corners, and tight ones at that at speeds up to 100+ (Obviously depending on the corner). The WRX has a mean, stiff chasis. Don't get me wrong, I love both cars, but to say that the EVO is "A better base" is just not a very well thought out statement.
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And take that SCC article with a grain of salt. I am a subscriber, but not for long. Those guys don't know WTF they are talking about. If you only knew how much they cator to their special interests.
They referred to their WRX as being far from stock in that article. Are you familiar with Vishnu Performance? Well, they were running a stage 0. That is pathetic. And very close to stock. I was so flaming pissed to read that they were comparing that to a EVO (LHD J-Spec). Apples to oranges! And the owner for Vishnu is actually a frelance writer for SCC! He even did a review of his own product in the magazine, but it was not mentioned that he was an insider! BS if you ask me. They lost one subscriber over this whole deal. Don't trust SCC.
Andy
They referred to their WRX as being far from stock in that article. Are you familiar with Vishnu Performance? Well, they were running a stage 0. That is pathetic. And very close to stock. I was so flaming pissed to read that they were comparing that to a EVO (LHD J-Spec). Apples to oranges! And the owner for Vishnu is actually a frelance writer for SCC! He even did a review of his own product in the magazine, but it was not mentioned that he was an insider! BS if you ask me. They lost one subscriber over this whole deal. Don't trust SCC.
Andy
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Honorable Mention.
And the owner for Vishnu is actually a frelance writer for SCC! He even did a review of his own product in the magazine, but it was not mentioned that he was an insider!