I had a Clear Bra applied to my last car. I noticed is began to yellow and it was Avery brand film. I have been searching for data on the long term effects of having a clear bra on the paint. Very interested in if anybody has actually tried to remove a clear-bra. so far I have stumbled accros the following links/info:
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/foru...28597&posts=17

Transaprent Paint Protection Film Tips / Maintenance / Faqs

We would like to make available some information about paint protection film, some tips on maintenance and how to search out professional dealers for the MB community.

As quality of film makes a tremendous difference in the way it looks after an installation, it is only one of three ingredients for a "clear" install. The 2nd would be the installation quality and third is the design of the clear bra kits.

For the 6 years we have been in the paint protection film industry, we have used and tested every single film manufacturer on the market. Below are our opinions of each:

Films on the Market:

3M - 1st generation film had many fading issues, which prompted an upgrade in early 2004. The film still uses the same urethane, but a clearer adhesive. The old film also received many complaints about "orange peel" texture that made the film very visible on darker colored vehicles. 3M's new film is clearer, but is still behind in strength and clarity. 5 Yr Warranty

Avery - Film generally fades w/in 1yr and customer service is poor. The company has all, but fallen off the face of the paint protection industry.

Clearshield - Film's quality is very similar to 3M's 1st generation film. Tends to yellow and crack in 2-3 yrs. Similar to 3M's 1st gen film, 90% of the adhesives will remain on paint when film is removed. 5 Year Warranty.

Llumar (CP Films) is one of the clearer films on the market. Customer service is lacking. Film's quality does not reject environmental oxidation, bird droppings, and other chemicals as well as 3M and Venture. The film is not OE approved. Lifetime Warranty

Venture - film's clarity along w/ its patented acrylic adhesives make it the clearer film. Excellent customer service and film looks great on all colors - even black. The film has been tested by Nissan against 3M. The test results showed 3M's film punctured when a 9lb prove was used while Venture's did not break until 20lbs of pressure was applied. Film is approved by Ferrari, Nissan, Infiniti, Dodge, GM and several others. Lifetime Warranty

INSTALLATION & SOFTWARE DESIGN
Film's quality is only as good as the installation. Searching out a good installer is not an easy task as many companies make outrageous claims of experience and expertise. The most important thing is to see what type of coverage you will get and whether or not it will be in one piece especially for the front bumper. Companies that use 1 piece for bumpers are generally more skilled at paint protection film installations, while software designers such as Clearshield, Invicashield, and Stongard (not so much as the first two) created these kits for the beginner installer.

Below are some tips to searching out good installers:
-what type of software do they use. This will dictate their skill level as companies utilizing the 3 softwares above are used to having these kits come in multiple pieces for ease of installation.
-how detailed oriented are they........you will have to pick up these little signs while talking with the company or installer
-how long have they been installing paint protection
-are they certified? although certification is not a pre-req for being a professional installer, it does show that they received some type of training.
-can they do custom work with one piece of film. This is generally meant for those with aftermarket bumpers or would like to have certain areas wrapped that is not computer generated designs.
-if they do custom work, do they cut on the vehicle? There are two ways of working custom applications:
a. Template drawn and designed for the vehicle and plotted on a cutting board.
b. Film installed on the car and trimmed on the car. We do use this method quite often and it is highly recommended that the installer know what he is doing when trimming on the car. The technician must be skilled at such trimming because too much pressure will cut into the paint. Although, we do this type of installation very often and have never damaged the paint surface, the general market technicians have yet to be experienced enough to trim on the vehicle and not damage the paint..........
-Ask to see if they use a heat gun to "soften" the material during installation. This is often a technique used by those not familiar w/ proper stretching of material...........usage of heat gun to stretch material could easily result in stretch marks forming.............this goes back to experience
-Take a look at their work or better yet, ask the locals about their reputation.
-Whenever a technician makes outrageous or exaggerated claims such as being the "best".......it would be advised that such claims is not backed by any type of proof or statistics.

FAQ
1. Will it yellow, bubble or crack over time? Depends on the film (Venture comes with a Lifetime Warranty from yellowing, bubbling, and cracking)
2. Can it be washed and waxed? Yes, to maintain the film, it is meant to be waxed and washed 2 wks after installation.
3. When my car gets dirty, the line on the hood is more visible. What can I do about it? Wash the vehicle and use a wet q-tip and run it along the edge and this will clean up the dirt or wax build-up
4. If I ever remove the film, will there be a two-tone effect? No, 3m & Venture are UV stable and allow the rays to penetrate; therefore, there will not be any 2-toning if film is ever removed.
5. Would the paint get stripped if I remove the film after a few yrs? The film is OE paint safe.
6. Can I repaint my bumper and put a film on right away? Yes, you can, but you risk having the paint get pulled off if it is removed later. The recommended new paint curing time is 30-60 days before clear bra application
7. From my local clear bra installer, they say Venture is easier to install. Well yes and no. Yes, it is easier to install due to its elasticity, but that doesn't mean the quality of install will be ideal. In actuality, the film is more difficult to work with to bring out a truly invisible installation because the film is so clear.........it does not hide any type of installation flaw. While companies like 3m, Clearshield and Avery has some orange peel texture, it helps hide some of the installation imperfections.
8. I have heard that Venture is a cheaper product price wise? Not true, Venture costs about 15% more than 3M.
9. Why do you charge more than these other guys? Our company was founded with one idea in mind - "Perfection is Our Standard". We truly believe that you get what you pay for and we provide our clientele with excellence in installation, warranty, and service. It is easy to make a quick buck in business, but to keep a life-long relationship with our customers is the challenge. We focus on the future and the longevity of our services.
10. How long does it take to install a full kit? We are typically done with the actual installation between 1.5-2.5 hrs for a full kit. The standard in this industry goes anywhere from 4 hrs to 6hrs........there are reports of overnight installs.
11. I don't like to see the line on the hood, can you cover the entire hood? Yes, we can. We are one of several companies in the U.S. that has Venture film large enough to wrap entire hoods as well as entire panels.

Hopefully, this thread will be helpful for those wondering about getting a clear bra for your vehicles. Our company is exclusively mobile and can travel to anywhere in the world (except for the Middle East ) for group buys. If anyone is interested in setting up a group buy for your area or would like a quote, please feel free to email us at: sales@premiermobilegroup.com or call us directly at 510-390-6920.
-we reply to all of our email inquiries within 24hrs.

Attached are some images of vehicles we wrap on a daily basis:

 

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Vehicle: 74 450 SE
Registered: 9/12/2005
Location: portland, oregon
Posts: 105






RE: Experience with Clear Film Paint Protectant?

the clear bra is nice for a while... but what about when the film starts to discolor(and it will over time), and the edges will start looking nasty? the only way to remove the film is to pretty much destroy your paint. it's a permanent addition to your car so I would consider that. I buffed a 00 Volvo C70 that had the clear bra and it was started to go... looked horrible.... and that's just the most recent example I can give you. that stuff will never ever touch a car of mine

do not knock my credibility. I've detailed cars for for a living for quite some time and have seen plenty of clear bras on cars.... so I am armed with facts, moron. I have removed the stuff from many cars and have seen how bad the paint looks once removed. Of course any installer and/or the manufacturer will tell you everything you want to hear because they want to sell you the product. There is an adhesive between the material and your paint... the glue over time will bond really well with your clear coat. I'm just passing on my experiences/knowledge with the stuff. hopefully this will help you make the right choice, but it's your car and you're the one left paying to repair the damage done by the clear bra. "this is a quote"

 

i'm getting venture done in like 90 days after my paint is all cured up. chips suck.

--Kendon

 

interesting, i've never heard of venture. good info.

 

Venture is the best film out with the lifetime warrenty. I am looking for a good installer in my area

 

did they not bake your car?

 

Premier Mobile Group published that information you posted. I think they are the primary carriers/installers of the venture film. Supposedly its far better than the other films in terms of strength, durability, and clarity. Its also a lot more expensive according to PMG. They mainly do ferraris, porsches, lambos etc. BTW they are based in the san francisco bay area.

 

I just gave this place a call;

XInt Tint of Anaheim, Inc.
2940 E. La Palma Ave., Ste. C
Anaheim, California ,92806
USA


Phone: (714) 630-6227
Fax: (714) 632-6600
Website: www.XlntTint.com
Email: sales@XIntTint.com


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i called a place here in VA... he quoted 699 installed for an evo, which is very good imo.

 

repaint the car first. stock evo paint jobs r horrible.Orange peel all over.

 

I found these guys off of many high end car forums and exotic car forums. They are one of the most well known for their work: www.premiermobilegroup.com The Ferrari, Lambo, and Porsche guys all say they are the best.

 

Has anybody used Armor Glove for paint protection? I've heard they were good.