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Old Apr 30, 2012 | 02:41 PM
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general alignment question, car pulls

For those that race or have an aggressive alignment that is EVEN on both sides R to L. does the car naturally pull to the right because of road crown?
(to allow water to drain towards the curb ie the right)

im supposedly running -2.3 w/ zero toe and -1.5 w/ 0.03 toe F/R respectively. the car slightly pulls to the right on varying roads.
alignment shop said that its always going to pull since i wanted them to set it evenly Right and Left. i'm kind of confused here. arent factory cars all have even alignments right to left? so those who autox or track their cars AND daily drive it, does it pull to the right?

i tried searching but another thread dead ended resulting to OP going to a race prep shop.
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Old Apr 30, 2012 | 11:06 PM
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If you switch lanes does it still pull or maintain a straight path? If so I would say its the road.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 09:43 AM
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While driving down a road that it pulls on. Go in the opposite lane (obviously on a road where you can legally do so and without any traffic) and see if the pull is the opposite. Does it pull on the highway either way? This will answer your question.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 10:34 AM
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even switching lanes it will still remain to pull to the right.
highway is different, slightly less. its very dependent on the road/highway.
i've done 5 months of driving on various roads and hundreds of miles and its an off and on thing, which im thinking its the road but its confusing me. but enough of me, im asking if any OTHERS out there are experiencing this, because crowning is on every road.

My actual question for this thread:
im asking if others out there with racing alignment experience the same thing or not.
because the alignment shop is saying that "all alignments" that are even on both sides will result to this. so they always do the left side behind the right.
i find that hard to believe because arent all factory cars even on both sides?
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Old May 1, 2012 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sujinX
even switching lanes it will still remain to pull to the right.
highway is different, slightly less. its very dependent on the road/highway.
i've done 5 months of driving on various roads and hundreds of miles and its an off and on thing, which im thinking its the road but its confusing me. but enough of me, im asking if any OTHERS out there are experiencing this, because crowning is on every road.

My actual question for this thread:
im asking if others out there with racing alignment experience the same thing or not.
because the alignment shop is saying that "all alignments" that are even on both sides will result to this. so they always do the left side behind the right.
i find that hard to believe because arent all factory cars even on both sides?
take it somewhere else
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Old May 1, 2012 | 01:29 PM
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Have had this happen after getting an alignment. I know the alignment was good because I watched the guy doing it and also I trust him. After the alignment I called him and told him the issue. He said it was pulling to the right because a belt may have been separated in the passenger side tire. He told me to swap the front tires and would then start to pull to the left. He was right, it was a separated belt in the tire. You might could try doing that. After getting new tires though it would do this on and off but I figured it was prob just the road so I didnt worry about it again.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by todd6027
take it somewhere else
thanks for your worthless post.
read what im asking. is YOUR car with aggressive alignment eventually migrates to the right during daily driving or not.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 03:06 PM
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it really depends on what the castor angle is. On a road car, the right side caster will be on average greater than the left for the crown in the road.

If you go on a multi-lane highway and the car still pulls to the right, then you have a bad alignment.
If you want a good racing style alignment, make sure the castor angles are equal.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisw
it really depends on what the castor angle is. On a road car, the right side caster will be on average greater than the left for the crown in the road.

If you go on a multi-lane highway and the car still pulls to the right, then you have a bad alignment.
If you want a good racing style alignment, make sure the castor angles are equal.
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Old May 1, 2012 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sujinX
thanks for your worthless post.
read what im asking. is YOUR car with aggressive alignment eventually migrates to the right during daily driving or not.
So is the car "pulling" to the rt? Thats a big difference for most of us compared to "eventually migrating" to the rt. A correct set up for safe rd conditions is eventually migrating rt to keep you from a head on collision if you fall asleep at the wheel. And whats with the agressive alignemnt? 2.3 Camber in the frt--- on both sides? You didnt mention auto cross or anything else. is this for show? You lowered too much?

just so we are on the same page, you have 2.3camber in the frt and 1.5 in the back . Zero toe in the front and .03 ( assume this is each side?)in the back rt?
And you are running said alignement numbers because you want what from handling??

Want to help, just need to understand what it is your looking for from your car, from the community?
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Old May 2, 2012 | 10:29 AM
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It would also be helpful to see all your specs. Did you received a print out with your alignment, you should have.
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Old May 2, 2012 | 10:00 PM
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setting car up for auto-x and track. but im still waiting for the sbc enkei's to come back in stock soooo ya. that alignment "isnt really" aggressive. not for show sorry. i did have the print out but, i dont know where it is now. graduating and moving to another state so everything is misplaced and that is what i remembered off the top of my head. because i went to the shop and asked specifically for those alignment numbers.

thanks chrisw and those that answered, i think your response was the best.

we only have 2 lane highways here and i barely drive on it. so there are times like i posted where its very dependent on the road. some roads there is zero pull, others it pulls a lot, and some just migrating. so i was wondering if others experienced the same on various roads.

i was not aware that caster could be adjusted? i have to go back and get them to check the caster as i cannot recall what it is. so if the caster is set equal then the car would act like it is now? since it does not account for the crown?

thanks for the answers.
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Old May 3, 2012 | 05:02 AM
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If your caster is off something is bent. Caster is not adjustable on evos.
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Old May 5, 2012 | 02:24 AM
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Were you in the vehicle when you got the alignment? Because when you sit in the drivers seat the passenger side frnt gains about .2-.3 neg camber.
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