Hi Smogrunner, which top hats r u using with the Ohlins from Vishnu???

This is another instance of misinformation on EVOm, as Robi has _never_ driven an EVO with any of the different RRE JIC set ups available and front LSD. I find it hard to believe Robi would give you an opinion about something he has never used on his car.

We have had proper set ups in stock for use with a front LSD since January 2004.

note, ain't gonna mean squat if you have ohlins and they're put together by a monkey. it's all about the tune... which is why the mueller jics are such a nice setup, custom valved and everything... put together and tuned with proven developement.

John, I didn't make that up. But at the same time I can see how someone reading my post could have misunderstood my point. I got that "misinformatin" straight from Robi on Oct 8. I understand you hadn't tuned his car for the LSD. That was exactly my point: How do suspension tuners adjust for the addition of the LSD. I put the quote I was referring to in bold:

When I read that I was assuming Robi was using either your Buddy Club or JIC setup. I didn't say JICs specifically. All I was asking for was what suspension mods are usually made to enhance the addition of the LSD?

I haven't purchased them yet. I probably going to get the Cusco camber plates, unless someone can make a better suggestion.

I was on the Buddy Clubs and the LSD made all the little things wrong with that setup (vs the JIC's I've run) MUCH worse ( hence the comment "major rethink"). Again this set-up is EXPERIMENTAL. The RRE/JIC set-ups is Tried tested and PROVEN fastest at any track they run at..and the Data are in they have been testing and tuning/tweeking this set-up for OVER A YEAR...untill someone else invests the time and effort you are working harder and paying more for a setup that may prove to be slower...

Where do I find more info on Ohlins shocks??

I'm looking for something thats more tune for autox use...
I went to the Ohlins website and found a bunch of different models...
which ohlins are all the vendors using??

JICs are a piece of crap. Do not even bother. I have heard and seen numerous accounts of horrible customer service and product quality from many people with different cars. JIC not only is NOT used in JGTC or any Pro-Japanese circuit, however OHLINS AND ZEAL are used. You do the math. Out of the box JIC is a POS, but changing the spring rates, doing little adjustments pretty much makes it a different product. The RRE Jics are good because they are track proven and adjusted. However I personally wouldnt even deal with JIC, #1 because they are crap IMHO. Ohlins you cannot go wrong. The fastest and most competitive drivers and cars use them. Ohlins is quality and their is no denying it. For race, go Ohlins. For daily driving/street/some race I would go Zeal. I personally met both RRE and WORKS and I can tell you right now WORKS is a bunch of great guys - and I DIDNT EVEN BUY ANYTHING FROM THEM! They answer all your questions and definately know their stuff. Their customer service & satisfaction is beyond your expectations from customers I encountered. They also match FACTORY WARRANTY... how cool is that. RRE puts out great race equipment and suspension but when I went there the staff was very unprofessional, rude, and well not a great experience. I won't even bother going into details about their attitude and lack of admitting they got beat by other evos. Its not a coincidence that Vishnu and Works and other companys firmly stand by the best made coilovers - Ohlins and Zeal.

I mean if you take the magazine's EVO CHALLENGES and see what companies came out on top, you can clearly see that just because a bunch of people rave out JICs from RRE are the best, that is not the ENTIRE truth. There are equally and better products out there - do your research and take a look.

yeah like check out all the times from people with evos running the same track....

Talk about CLUELESS. The Ohlins/Zeals/Koni's/Penskes/Motons/JRZ's in these RACING applications START at $3000.00 PER CORNER (yeah $12,000.00 to start and then ENDLESS test sessions with your 8-10 SETS of 4 springs@ $1000.00/set to get them tuned. at $3-$4 K/day) The biggest benifit with the RRE setup is the HUNDREDS of hours spent at the track TESTING and refining the setup to make the cars fast stable predictable and forgiving. JIC's are the BEST $/laptime setup out there DESPITE any of the "bad" rumors out there. If you thought RRE was rude it was because you asked questions and wanted information that had to do with the testing they had paid for and keep for their CUSTOMERS benefit (it did cost them and you obviously wern't buying) Bring your EVO out to the track with ANY of the Suspensions you "are promoting" and we'll see what works better. Name the EVO's they got beat by....I know ONLY one SPARCO a class act and a class company (note they only promote their products and don't disparage others... a lesson you might learn) and the tracks and the dates.....Until then U R just I-net NOISE... Grow up, try and get a clue, and base your accusations on FACT with faster track times against the fastest trackday EVOs out there.

PS you are right about the guys at Works, credit given where credit due.

I have to weigh in on this, having started this thread, and then going with the JIC set-up tuned by John Mueller of RRE. I was treated like royalty at RRE. They were happy to have my business, gave me a tour of the shop, bought me dinner while I was waiting for the suspension work to be completed, gave me a computer with internet access while I waited, kept the shop open until 10:00 p.m. to get everything perfect on my car, answered all my stupid questions, followed up the next day to make sure everything was OK, etc. etc. etc. The car handles incredibly well, and corners flatter than any low-slung 2-seat sports car I have ever driven. John is an EVO suspension wizard.

'nuf said.

Congrats on your purchase. How is the ride on the street compared to the stock suspension? Also can you please post pics.

THe JIC ride is definitely firmer than stock. You will get some "jouncing" when going over bumps. I look at this as a trade off that is well worth it for the excellent handling of the JIC/Mueller suspension set-up. This is my track car, but I also drive it on the street frequently.

Frankly, if I'm taking my girlfriend out to dinner, we'll take the Audi. LOL

clueless? uhh NO. I do realize zeal/ohlins/moton/etc. cost a ton of money. just because YOU happen to have RRE JICs doesnt mean everyone else has to have them. I hate it when people are so close minded. Like I said before, RRE JICs are good, but there ARE OTHER VIABLE OPTIONS OUT THERE. I am not here to promote anyones product over anyones. I am just saying people rave about RRE JICs, but they arent perfect, there are other EQUALLY competitive products out there. Listen bro, if you have that much of a problem with people not happy with your SPONSOR (RRE), maybe you should get a life. Seriously, just because you are cool with RRE doesnt mean the ENTIRE world is. I am just saying what I experienced... this is a PUBLIC FORUM not a **** camp. If you think I am here to say RRE sucks - well you are far from the truth. I am bagging on JIC, why because they plain make a crap product. AND as I will say AGAIN, RRE makes it better, much better. Just because you spent thousands of dollars at RRE and they treat you well because you should be treated well if you are a paying customer, then by all means good for you. Listen I know some things you do not about several companies and their relations and I choose not to reveal it. As I said before, I am titled to my own opinion as you are, and knocking me for offering other positions on the topic is just reveals your insecurity. Keep it real bro. Also, if you even know whats going on in other countries such as Japan, you will realize the record setting evos are NOT USING JIC. Wait... aren't YOU using Buddy Club? oh yeah... thats right... not JIC? hmmmm What I am saying is if you have an open mind before you open your mouth, you may realize that JIC isnt the only option out there. YOU SHOULD REALIZE ITS A FREE MARKET AND FREE COUNTRY and I can say whatever I want about whoever's product out there. LIKE IT.

Like I said reading magazines doesn't make you an expert on suspension so don't preach BS like you wrote the Bible...get on the track and see if the high$$$$Hks JDM stuff will keep up with good ol' USDM HP and inexpensive but well set up coilovers...The JIC setup cost the same SET UP FROM RRE as most JDM coilovers in the box...You got the sig on mods why no rep on the track? I keep it VERY REAL no JDM coils come even close for our open dif USDM cars...check out the latest vids note the camera car lapping everyone twice/ run session is a JIC car.....two diferent drivers same result...till we see you at the track quit acting like sitting at home reading mags from the back gives you any rep in the suspension tuning arena . You opinion is worth just what it costs eveyone here to read it zero (till we see you at the track) after that you might be in negative numbers who knows ;-) ?

My Car does see some Magazine time.

http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/albu...erdouble03.jpg

and we did win the SCC USCC road race event...I know I need to get real...


http://www.evolutionownersclub.com/h...o_gallery.html

http://www.socalevo.net/videos/16psi.wmv

http://www.socalevo.net/videos/marksowoct22.wmv

PS Buddy Club wanted to get the setup right for the USDM EVOs so they came to the RRE/Robi car to fix their JDM setup BEFORE they started selling junk to the USDM evo newbies. Read my posts on how the setup is getting closer (AFTER SIX F"N MONTHS) but still not as fast as the JIC's..REAL TRACK TESTING that's how real I am ...oh and when we compete we do ok...or did you forget to read the sig...My opinions are backed up with real world track experiance AND 37,000 miles on my EVO...since last August...care to compare?

PS Seat time is not in the recliner playing Grand Tourismo and reading from back to front.