Actually, HKS's tires are listed in the scanned article as 265/35/18 and Buschur is only listed as ?/40/17.

 

Exactly!!!!

No one said the Stoptech "sucks" - quite the opposite in fact - this was merely a comparison of 2 cars, with mod levels similar to what alot of people here have, with 2 different brake kit options. Yes the Endless kits are expensive....everyone knows that. But they are also top notch stuff, and the results speak for themselves. Yes there are lots of variables in this test....just like there are lots of variables when customer "X" dyno's his car in CT and customer "Y" dyno's his car in Washington State and then we all get to read 5 pages about who's mother sucks and who's car is better. Point being, the cars were prepared as the owners saw fit, and given to the magazine to test, and these were the results. Each car I am sure is an absolute blast to drive as well, but it's rare that we get to see them pitted one vs another like this. It was an entertaining article, and congrats to all who's cars were selected to participate

edit - thanks ez I totally did not catch that!

 

I mentioned the same results in another thread and Buschur stated that it was a driver issue . However, there are other stoptech cars in the test that didn't perform as well as the HKS car also.

HKS link http://www.hksusa.com/info/?id=2957

 

ok what i am trying to say is...
with front rear vs front
even with adding a rear kit i doubt that you can decrease 125 feet.
Then different tires.
the bf goodrich tires are good..
as well as the neova's

Now...
you tell me this...
if one car is lighter than the other and everything else is the same...
the lighter car will stop shorter.
NOW...
lets say the heaver car stopped shorter than the lighter car.
but remember this guy's
18's are a disadvantage because it means heavier wheel and more momentum to stop the sucker.

The only disadvantage that the buschur car had was that it wasn't running front and rear big brake kit.. AND MAYBE TIRE DIAMETER
but that still doesnt EXPLAIN

125 FEET


AT the end of the day
125 feet is alot...
no matter what..
and only one car bested the endless evo and it was a lotus elise weighing a LOT less than the evo
ALMOST 1/2 TON DIFFERENCE

 

Tires make a HUGE difference in braking. As does the suspension setup. Neither of which we have data for here. How much negative front camber where both running? What width tires was the beernuts car running? What spring rates?

We don't know.

 

ok lets do some math
IF someone ran crap 4 tires vs super good tires
u can get maybe 20 feet

so now we at 105

Next suspension both coils on both cars are awesome so i dont think that matter
but for the sake of the argument
we give it another 20 feet

now we at 85

Alignment... these were road race cars so both had a bit of toe and camber.
so any marginal impact would be 5-10 feet

now we at 80-75

BUT!!!!!!

the hks car was heavier giving it a easy 10-15 foot disadvantage

now we are at 85-95

AND I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt wind resistance would make up for 85 - 95 feet
unless you are saying that... adding rear brakes will automatically make the car stop that much shorter.


Just put it this...
ENDLESS BRAKES KICKS ***!!!
No matter how you put it
you can make all the excuses you want..
but numbers are numbers.

 

Better check out the Audi's Alcon braking #'s also

 

That response you just made basically tells us you know nothing about what you are talking about.

Both have good coils? Ok that still doesn't tell us how they are set up as far as spring rates, stiffness, ride height, etc.

"you can maybe get 20ft" between crap tires and good tires? Ever heard of contact patch? Grip?

"8-10ft" from camber differences?

What the hell math are you using?

 

The math is just general Numbers.

BFG's are not ****ty tires.
now from what i've seen most evo's rock either 245 or 255
and the hks was rocking 265
but they had 18's which meant heavier. more ratational mass as well as harder to stop due to momentum

ok suspension.
Suspension itself doesn't matter if both are properly aligned and well researched.
I highly doubt buschur would race a car without setting it up properly.

 

Please stop filling this thread with your "I pulled this out of my ***" info.

Suspension setting doesn't matter in braking? OK there.

 

HAHAHAHA. You are funnay.

If that wasn't a joke, please explain what "general Numbers" are.

 

ok here's a little math for ya...

at 140mph(which is what the test speed was) you are moving at 205 ft per second.
since david actually said that robi locked up in the test we know that he would have to let off the brake
just to get the tire rotating again. if he just let off for one second that puts him 200 ft longer than the same exact car with no lock up.
and yes suspension, tires , and camber all contribute to braking distances.

p.s. and no i'm not a stoptech fanboy.
i actually have 6-pot alcons on my car.

 

ok, i just lost the post i was trying to make here, and i've lost my patience, so here's the short version:

BRAKES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH STOPPING DISTANCE!

and this kind of crap:

makes me wonder why i even bother on this site.

TIRES stop your car, not brakes! christ, what a bunch of @sshats.

the moment you clowns find a brake mfg'er claim that their brakes "stop you faster" than another guys, please let me know.

the moment you clowns look up the definition of "braking theshold" and can properly describe it and list the variables that affect it, please let me know.

the moment you clowns can bring just ONE TINY PIECE of valid tech to a debate, and back it up with references, instead of math for douchebags 101, then let me know.

until then, do us all a favor and go away.

 

Wow... someone woke up on the wrong side of bed today..

oiii not this again..
brakes sooo have to do with stopping distances.
if u can't lock up a set of brakes at 100+ mph then your brakes are sub par.
and this driver error issue..
it wasn't mentioned in the article.
so i didnt go on that.

I know tires stop your car sir....
but the data is raw data just comparing apples to oranges and these apples are better than those oranges.

ok just so you know it is Threshold braking you need to calm down and all sir=)
Also lets see threshold braking is... =
Threshold braking is the subtle driver technique which attempts to approach this ideal as closely as possible. It will involve great sensitivity on the brake pedal. Thin soled shoes are a significant advantage. But knowing when wheels start to lock is more of a mystery. How can a driver know from the driving seat that wheels are close to locking?

We've never seen this in print anywhere, but we believe that the messages arrive through the steering wheel. As the front wheels tend to lock small tugs can be felt through the wheel actually pulling away from the locking road wheel. When these tugs are felt is the right time to ease off the brake pedal a fraction and stay at the threshold without exceeding it.

You're unlikely to be able to learn effective threshold braking on the road. On the skid pan it is possible, but things tend to be rather gentle and the maximum braking force is pretty small in the slippery conditions of a skid pan. A better option is to learn threshold braking under instruction on a race circuit.

ABS provides a close approximation of threshold braking, and in an ABS equipped vehicle you might as well normally plant the brake pedal and leave it to the electronics. That said, good threshold braking is better than ABS and can stop you shorter. However, although it is possible to threshold brake in an ABS equipped car, sometimes the ABS will interfere with the subtle steering messages and actually make threshold braking harder.

 

wow. fascinating cut and paste.

so your theory is that the stoptech's are unable to lock the front brakes at 100+ mph?

you betray your ignorance with every further post.

please go away.