Hotchkis and Bodyroll
Hotchkis and Bodyroll
I recently installed my Hotchkis lowering springs and I noticed that, although the ride is smoother, I have more bodyroll in the car when I take turns. I didn't really plan on having more bodyroll obviously 
And this bodyroll is starting to really annoy the crap out of me. So my question is, how do I get rid of that bodyroll? I tried searching but I end up with nothing at all. I remember searching a while ago, but now I can't seem to find it.
From what I can remember, people were installing rear sway bars along with the lowering springs. But there was never a clear answer on if it got rid of that bodyroll. People were saying it improves the handling, but does it also get rid of that bodyroll? If anyone can provide feedback, that would be great. Thank you.
-Enyth
And this bodyroll is starting to really annoy the crap out of me. So my question is, how do I get rid of that bodyroll? I tried searching but I end up with nothing at all. I remember searching a while ago, but now I can't seem to find it. From what I can remember, people were installing rear sway bars along with the lowering springs. But there was never a clear answer on if it got rid of that bodyroll. People were saying it improves the handling, but does it also get rid of that bodyroll? If anyone can provide feedback, that would be great. Thank you.
-Enyth
im definately looking into the swift rear sways, anyone have any preferences?
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You need to understand what all the parts of your suspension do. Just because you lowered your car you can't expect the body roll to be gone. The spring rates of the Hotchkis springs are roughly stock, so you should expect stock like body roll, with a small improvement gained by the inch of lowering.
Even with a swaybar you are going to have body roll, how much... a fair amount. I say this because I have Hotchkis springs on my car and a 25mm Progress rear swaybar. Out on the track my car still has lots of body, not as much as stock, but still a fair amount. But for $300 worth of suspension upgrades it offers great improvement over stock.
If you want to remove more body roll you need higher spring rates, both Eibach and Espiler (sp?) make springs with higher rates. I hear they ride pretty harsh on the street. Your other option is to step up to some coilovers.
Anyway, don't expect just a bar to solve the problem, it will help for sure, but the roll will still be present.
Even with a swaybar you are going to have body roll, how much... a fair amount. I say this because I have Hotchkis springs on my car and a 25mm Progress rear swaybar. Out on the track my car still has lots of body, not as much as stock, but still a fair amount. But for $300 worth of suspension upgrades it offers great improvement over stock.
If you want to remove more body roll you need higher spring rates, both Eibach and Espiler (sp?) make springs with higher rates. I hear they ride pretty harsh on the street. Your other option is to step up to some coilovers.
Anyway, don't expect just a bar to solve the problem, it will help for sure, but the roll will still be present.
Well said jid2, the only way to control body roll is by using either:
1. Stiffer springs
2. Stiffer dampeners
3. Thicker sway bars ...
In each of these cases you will have to apply them to the front and rear. Mind you there will be side effects on the handling characteristics both wanted and unwanted for doing these mods.
1. Stiffer springs
2. Stiffer dampeners
3. Thicker sway bars ...
In each of these cases you will have to apply them to the front and rear. Mind you there will be side effects on the handling characteristics both wanted and unwanted for doing these mods.
I don't get it. You install lowering springs without changing the dampers. Your handling gets worse. Then you change the rear sway bar so you reduce the rear grip. All bad choices.
If you want better handling and plan on changing the rear sway bar, you should at least get coilovers. Otherwise you're making the bad thing worse. Next thing you know is, you'll have oversteer. Sideways is not the fastest way around
If you want better handling and plan on changing the rear sway bar, you should at least get coilovers. Otherwise you're making the bad thing worse. Next thing you know is, you'll have oversteer. Sideways is not the fastest way around
Originally Posted by jid2
You need to understand what all the parts of your suspension do. Just because you lowered your car you can't expect the body roll to be gone. The spring rates of the Hotchkis springs are roughly stock, so you should expect stock like body roll, with a small improvement gained by the inch of lowering.
Even with a swaybar you are going to have body roll, how much... a fair amount. I say this because I have Hotchkis springs on my car and a 25mm Progress rear swaybar. Out on the track my car still has lots of body, not as much as stock, but still a fair amount. But for $300 worth of suspension upgrades it offers great improvement over stock.
If you want to remove more body roll you need higher spring rates, both Eibach and Espiler (sp?) make springs with higher rates. I hear they ride pretty harsh on the street. Your other option is to step up to some coilovers.
Anyway, don't expect just a bar to solve the problem, it will help for sure, but the roll will still be present.
Even with a swaybar you are going to have body roll, how much... a fair amount. I say this because I have Hotchkis springs on my car and a 25mm Progress rear swaybar. Out on the track my car still has lots of body, not as much as stock, but still a fair amount. But for $300 worth of suspension upgrades it offers great improvement over stock.
If you want to remove more body roll you need higher spring rates, both Eibach and Espiler (sp?) make springs with higher rates. I hear they ride pretty harsh on the street. Your other option is to step up to some coilovers.
Anyway, don't expect just a bar to solve the problem, it will help for sure, but the roll will still be present.
If you're expecting some sort of big performance gain from $150 dollar springs, your sadly mistaken. They are intended for looks, not performance. Get some coilovers and youll be happy.
It's not a surprise that your car rolls more being lowered with those springs. If you do some studying on strut suspension design, you'll see that lowering the car can increase the amount of body roll (all things being equal) because of the change in the relationship of the roll center and the center of gravity. This is another reason, other than decreased suspension travel, that you want to increase spring rate when you lower the car. However, higher rates don't work very well with stock shocks (i.e., bouncy and underdamped), hence the fact that coilovers are generally the way to go for lowering. Of course, then you've got a harsh ride to deal with unless you spend a lot of $$ on top of line parts.
The Hotchkis springs are not low enough to make body roll worse than stock. What you say is true if you lower the CG to the point that it creates a larger moment about the roll center by extreme lowering. But that is more drop than the Hotchkis springs provide.
The spring rates are the reason the Hotchkis springs still have body roll.
The spring rates are the reason the Hotchkis springs still have body roll.