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Old Feb 15, 2007 | 07:29 AM
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Coilover/spring rate/camber ????

I am getting a set of Heilx coilovers and I need some advice from the suspension guru's.

1. Which is better for street driving/ minimal track usage? 7k/8k...or 7k/10k.? I know that the higher the spring rate the stiffer the ride...but which is better..and will it benefit me to have 7/10k for the future?

2. I will get it aligned with stock settings, but is it okay to just then 0 out the camber and toe for normal street driving as to not wear the tires out.?? 0 for street and then when I hit the track I can easily swith it back to the stock negative camber. Advice please?

3. I have read that 0 toe (even on a negative camber) can help keep your tires from wearing out...but won't you still get inner tire wear from the negative camber? can someone explain this?

Any advie or help is appreciated. I understand constructive criticism too. I have thick skin. Am I going about this the wrong way...or am I thinking incorrectly about this.

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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 06:41 AM
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anyone?
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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 08:08 AM
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Yes, zero toe at all 4 corners will help make your tires last a lot longer, even if you have negative camber.

I personally would not run 0 camber on the street. I run the same camber setting on the street as I do on the track -1.8/-1.4 F/R. My tires are wearing pretty good. 1 of my tires has bad wear but that is because of my driving, not the camber.
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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 10:19 AM
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So on average then how long do you think a set of Advans would last with a 0 toe and a stock -1 camber?
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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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1. It really depends on what is more important to you. If you want a more comfy ride go with the softer springs, if you want more performance go with the stiffer springs. Personally, I would go with the stiffer springs as I care more about performance.

2. Even when driving on the street I wouldn't recommend running with 0 camber all around, as your handling with suffer a lot. Put some negative camber in the front and rear, probably -1.2 to -1.5 deg Front and -1 deg Rear for a more street friendly setup. That way your set up will be decent for both track days and street driving.

3. Yes you have heard true. 0 out your toe front and rear to maximize the life of your tires. This is because during aggressive cornering the body and the tire rolls over to the outter tread and that starts to wear out much faster. Therefore by occasionally mixing some spirited cornering with regular driving the tire wears evenly.

Hope that helps ... but remember there is alot more involved in properly setting up a suspension setup.
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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 03:37 PM
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1. It really depends on what is more important to you. If you want a more comfy ride go with the softer springs, if you want more performance go with the stiffer springs. Personally, I would go with the stiffer springs as I care more about performance.

2. Even when driving on the street I wouldn't recommend running with 0 camber all around, as your handling with suffer a lot. Put some negative camber in the front and rear, probably -1.2 to -1.5 deg Front and -1 deg Rear for a more street friendly setup. That way your set up will be decent for both track days and street driving.

3. Yes you have heard true. 0 out your toe front and rear to maximize the life of your tires. This is because during aggressive cornering the body and the tire rolls over to the outter tread and that starts to wear out much faster. Therefore by occasionally mixing some spirited cornering with regular driving the tire wears evenly.

Hope that helps ... but remember there is alot more involved in properly setting up a suspension setup.

Thank you ...that was very helpful.

So if I was to 0 out the toe it would help with the tire wear...but I also would have to hit some corners from time to time to make sure I was wearing the tires evenly. So if I took a road trip even with 0 on the toe...I could still get inner tire tread wear just because of the negative camber correct?
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Old Feb 16, 2007 | 03:44 PM
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for what it's worth I'm running 0 toe -1.5 f and -1 r and I'm happy with it... I've rotated the tires once now and they are all wearing even
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by smokey
Thank you ...that was very helpful.

So if I was to 0 out the toe it would help with the tire wear...but I also would have to hit some corners from time to time to make sure I was wearing the tires evenly. So if I took a road trip even with 0 on the toe...I could still get inner tire tread wear just because of the negative camber correct?
The amount of wear you will get with regular driving with be next to nothing because you aren't really stressing the tire at all, you will have to drive quite a lot to wear out your tires the same amount as a few aggresive corners, trust me.
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
The amount of wear you will get with regular driving with be next to nothing because you aren't really stressing the tire at all, you will have to drive quite a lot to wear out your tires the same amount as a few aggresive corners, trust me.
Thanks for your help. Very informative. I guess you learn more and more every day
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 10:24 AM
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"3. Yes you have heard true. 0 out your toe front and rear to maximize the life of your tires. This is because during aggressive cornering the body and the tire rolls over to the outter tread and that starts to wear out much faster. Therefore by occasionally mixing some spirited cornering with regular driving the tire wears evenly."
True 0 toe all around will help maximize tire life but the reason you gave (body/tires rolling over outside edge) is incorrect as what you describe is the effect of camber. The correct reason is because while driving straight, if you have toe (+ or -) your tires are draging in or out. Picture looking from above the car your tires are no longer parallel to each other but pointing at/ pointing away from each other slighly depending on toe setting
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by madmax199
True 0 toe all around will help maximize tire life but the reason you gave (body/tires rolling over outside edge) is incorrect as what you describe is the effect of camber. The correct reason is because while driving straight, if you have toe (+ or -) your tires are draging in or out. Picture looking from above the car your tires are no longer parallel to each other but pointing at/ pointing away from each other slighly depending on toe setting
No its not, did you bother reading his original question?... I was trying to explain how tires can wear evenly with 0 toe and -ve camber. What you are describing is how toe works and what I was describing is how camber works.
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