Makes more power? Big deal. I made 341whp/361wtq before cams and before the IX turbo when I was at sea level, so don't be so sure he "puts down more HP." You keep saying he road races. Ok, where? when? What lap times? Maybe a few HPDEs, but I don't see one thread talking about setup or lap times or autocross wins...nothing. **** about building post counts? What kind of stupid crap is that? I just respond to threads when I have something to say. I couldn't care less about my post count. That's just a dumb thing to say.

The OP has been helped in spite of your mud-slinging and arguing. Next time, sugggest someone who REALLY does race, not just a guy you talked to about suspensions once.

 

Then next time you do what most of EVOM wishes you would do, and use your mute button. For some reason, you have gotten control of your own talk cord and pull on that thing way too often.

Those are some nice numbers and you couldnt hit an 11 in the 1/4. But, those numbers im sure were with alky. And what kreionic runs is besides any point that needs to be made.... the truth is, he does, he also researches a lot about different things about our cars. Which, according to popular belief, you are allowed to make suggestions and be considered a reliable source with enough research. I'd take his opinion over yours any day anyway.

As i said, IM DONE DISCUSSING THIS. Or better yet... just for you

IM DUN DISCUSSING THIS

hell its practically phonetic anyway, but you just didnt pick up on it, i guess there is no hope

 

back on topic... what's you experience with autoX? if you're just getting started you have about one full season of learning how to drive until you really need any mods at all. a good alignment that is more aimed towards racing wouldn't hurt.

once you start to win a lot in stock class then it's time for coilovers (I love my buddy club RS), sway bar, good race alignment...

the whiteline front roll center kit is a MUST HAVE on any lowered evo IMO.

 

^^thank you^^

 

To the original poster, it is really hard to understand what you are typing ... Try breaking up the sentences with periods and spell the words correctly. It might help people understand what you are looking for. No offence intended.

With that I recommend you stay away from the cheaper coilovers. The performance and ride comfort just isn't there. Plus they most likely won't last too long. Look into the following coilovers as they provide good quality and great bang for buck:

KW V3
Ohlins Sportlines with DFV

Talk to Drew @ GTWorx.com ... he may be able to help you find what you are looking for. Plus he can give to setup advice ...

If you can afford it you may also want to look into coilovers by ZZYZX (made using Koni race shocks!)

What ever you decide goodluck.

 

robispec basic. his custom progressive springs, front and rear bars, front roll center kit, rear trailing arm bushings, rear bump steer kit. i gather that you want an all-around suspension that would be highly competent in lots of situations and with that i bet robi would suggest you pair the MR bilstiens with the above setup.

if you're concerned about changing the fewest parts necessary, get the front roll center correction kit, rear bump steer kit, and rear trailing arm bushings. the sensation of rotation and reduced understeer during steady-state cornering is delicious.


and just to really stir the pot, i don't think it's a good idea buy from some place just because their parts are cheaper. pay the extra money to get the guy with real experience i.e. he tests his own parts/ set-ups, is paid by other race car drivers to be their crew cheif, and on top of all that, actually wins. it isn't difficult to sound like a nice guy and good dealer because you offer good prices. but being able to produce results is not something that everyone can boast. i wouldn't buy from some place X, get random place Y to install, local firestone Z for an alignment, all without a proper corner balance or setting the ride height to exactly what you want. food for thought, but that's why i chose robi.

 

CleverUserName, I agree with the Robispec suggestion, but not the basic setup. That's really just a bandaid setup for people who don't want to spend money. It's great for what it is, but it doesn't compare at all to the advanced setups. I would go with the PIC TSOs before the Robi stg1, and I think that idea fits this guy's preferences.

 

Both of these are great options. We do offer a package with custom spring rates on the V3's that we have had a lot of success with. One of the local auto-xers we sponsor has been running this setup with great results. The new Ohlins DFV coilovers are very nice as well, although they are only a single adjustable (which could be a positive or a negative thing, depending on your experience level in setting up suspensions).

The ZZYZX are a good option for the serious auto-xer but they aren't as street friendly. Ride quality on the Koni DA shocks that they use isn't quite comparable to the KW's or Ohlins, and they also don't have mounting tabs for the ABS sensors and brake lines. They do have a ton of droop travel though, which is definitely a good thing for auto-x. Give us a call if you would like to talk about various setups, we have done everything from simple spring/strut combos on up to Moton 4-way Motorsport dampers so we should be able to come up with something that meets your requirements

-Dan

 

well, he did make sure to mention two very specific things: drive around town and not break things. i know the TSOs are failry new, right? so long-term durability is a consideration here and the TSOs don't have the same mileage on them that other coilovers do.

additionally, and if one were interested he should ask Robi directly, but i understand that Robi is capable of cornerweighting the stock struts/shocks. so with lowering springs, the ride height would be fixed, but the system could still be cornerweighted; throw in the roll center correction kit (which you would have to do with coilovers or lowering springs anyways) and you've got - TADA- cornerweighted coilovers. not as sexy as aftermarket units or with as many adjustments (F/R bars only) but OEM-like durability that you could drive around town with and not break things.

this is, like most of the stuff on a message board, in theory. i highly highly enjoy the coilovers he just installed for me yesterday.

 

That is incorrect, you can't corner weight without the ability to adjust ride height. Adjustable perches are a requirement for corner weighting ....

 

like i said, though, you really should ask him directly. i don't think it's my place to tell you how he does it as that is how he makes a living (and i may explain his methods incorrectly). but he has the ability to do it. one can adjust individual corner height in the necessary increments without adjustable perches.

 

I can think of ways to do it, pretty cool that Robi actually does it.


- Andrew

 

If you are just starting to autocross, then why do you want to pre-emptively mess with the suspension? Fix the issues with the stock suspension (all of which will carry forward if you ever decide to go with coilovers) and then learn to drive the car. If I was in your shoes, I'd start with the following items:

- rear trailing arm bushings
- rear bump-steer correction kit
- front roll-center kit
- alignment

Then have hella fun at the next auto-x.

l8r)

 

GC coilover conversion kit and spacers come to mind

I don't understand why people keep recommending this mod especially when it throws you into a very high class. I understand the benefits of it ... I just don't think anyone would want to do this mod and end up in SM or higher ... Most people can't even afford to build competetive STU cars.

 

^ I know absolutely nothing about auto-x classes, so I guess if that does throw you into a higher class and you don't want to be in it, then leave it out. Even w/out the roll-center kit, the other mods should net a noticeable improvement.

l8r)