Ok i have done some research and iam looking at the PIC TSO's(dose anyone have a web site for them?) and the JIC's. Ohlin's are out of my price range. What is everyones opinions on the two? Is there another set of coilovers i should be looking into? I want to get rid of the s-types and get something that i wont have to change again and do well with it auto-x and street use!

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stephen

google found http://picperformance.com/store/scripts/news.asp

Thanks for the site any help on what people think between the two?

The PIC TSO's are great for autox but are pretty hard core. My car rides low and stiff but handles beautifully. The car is very well balanced.

Thanks for the input. Iam looking for something better to auto x in so that helps me thanks anyone else?

Where is everyone buying them from?

You have more autox experience than me so I am not sure if my suggestions are of any help, but here is my 2 cents anyway.

1. There is a SM Mod discussion thread which is very helpful. Mark Daddio is on the thread every once in the while and if you ever saw Mark drive, His driving is just awesome. You can get quite a bit of SM setup info from that thread.

2. There is a STU prep thread which I frequent that started by Davemac. Racing with these guys on thre thread this year, most of the guys know exactly what they are talking about and it's a good place to start to emulate their car setups.

3. There is not a "perfect" or magic setup that can make you immediately faster. My "neutral" setup might be understeer for some, and might be oversteer for some. You have to figure out what you like for yourself, and unfortunately it takes seat time and money to figure it out.

4. I don't want to repeat the obvious, but the 1st posting on the STU prep thread by Davemac tells you a ballpark range of what your setup should be for STU. Even though R-compunds is in your equation but it might nevertheless be a good starting point.

5. Last month's "Grassroot Motorsports" had an article of what mod works in autox and what doesn't. I thought that was a excellent article. Someone on this board says autox is 75% driver, 20% tire, and 5% setup. After I saw and rode with quite a few very accomplished drivers (National champions, local region class champions, etc), I couldn't agree with it more.

6. I would guess after light rims and sticky + wide tires, a good set of coilover with camber plates will do. (A lot of us are using larger swaybars also) Spring rates, rebound and damping, and ride height all will have to be set to your preference. Again using SM and STU prep thread will help you to get a starting point.

I have been adjusting my car for over 9 months and still trying, but it is getting better. Just continue putting seat time in and tinker with suspension settings should help you becoming more competitive. Good luck.

Thanks alot for your input i have about two season in auto x nothing crazy but i have been told to get rid of my s-type spring that they are worst then the stock! So i wanted to upgrade and not redo them later down the road.

quick question warrtalon, why do you say to stay away from tien? the most knowlagable suspension guy i know, probably one of the best in the country when dealing with evo suspension says the tien super racings are the single best coilover unless you are going with motons or something along those lines... he has built time and time again all of the fastest track evo's in utah (thats saying something) and continues to advance evo's in motorsports such as speed world challenge... i think you know who i am talking about

I think Mark Daddio (SM) is using Ohlins Sportlines. Many other top drivers in STU I know use either Two way adjustable Ohlins, KW3's, or Moutons (SP). There are so many choices and every vendor will tell you their stuff is great and others are junk.

I think in general the top drivers will not voluntarily share their suspension setup because they have many hours (some years) of test of tune on their car, and I think that's perfectly fair. Some vendors like GTWORX will sponsor top autox drivers to test their products and get the best setup possible. My suggestion is find the top drivers in a competitive region, find out who sponsors them, and buy the turnkey coilovers with the right spring rate, height adjustment and properly valved. I don't think these vendors charges you any extra for the setup, but rather earning your business by saving your some headaches.

I went with the used Ohlins sportline on Evom route, and have spent countless hours in my garage swapping springs to find the right setup, and still not too happy with it. In hind sight I probably should just buy a set of kW3s from GTWORX and be done with it. But all these hours of work enable me to adjust my suspension on the fly quickly, not to mention learning a lot on what spring rate is doing what from some of the top drivers.

Hope this helps.

I dont understand the hate against tein. for what they are they are good stuff. the all out race setups are sick. ive ridden in a time trials prepped race car with the tein racing setup and the thing handles amazingly.

the cheaper ones arent great but the edfc is nice to have. not everyone needs an all out race setup. In my opinion what the OP is asking for is something that will boost performance but be tolerable around town. Id say the teins with EDFC would be great for this since around town you can use the edfc but if you wanna do some mountain driving you dont have to get out and screw with your settings. You do have to disconnect it for autoX though.

I know that ohlin and KW's are the way to go! but i wold like to stay under 2000 more like around 1500 but if people are really suggesting for me to just splurge and go for something else them i will. I want something that i can buy and then not have to take it out again and get them re-valved or tuned i want that all done when i get them so i can just throw them in the car. Dannykao what do you recommend? anyone else?

I know you can pick up Ohlins sportlines used on evom for around $1500 if they are in good shape. My friend who I autox with just did that. He is waiting for me to sort out my spring rates and ride height, and try to copy from me.

I bought my sportline for $2K used from someone who only had 500 miles on. But I have spent $260 on springs, and my co-driver lent me his springs to do additional tests. I might have to buy two more sets of springs if my test and tune session (tomorrow) shows that I need more spring rate. By the time it's all set and done + revalving, I think I will have $3K in it.

Most likely my friend, who is waiting to copy my setup, will be somewhat disappointed when he copies mine. We don't drive the same way, and he will always second guess himself because he never tried to find the setup that he prefers.

With that said, if you want to copy someones autox setup, the only person I know in this region who is willing is GTWORX. Just ask for Davemac's setup and those KW's are double adjustable, and I believe it's around $1900 for the coilovers. Davemac won several events in the DC and Sesquhanna region this year with his KW setup, and copying his setup should be pretty sufficient for a while. (Disclaimer: Dave's setup is for STU, I don't know well enough if the same setup works for R-Compound)

If you are going with Ohlins sportlines, I would start at the minimum of 400lb front and 550lb rear to start, and move up in increments. Again the spring rates are all over the map on the Ohlins and every driver is a little different. But in general I think the front rate should be 100 -200 lbs less than the rear, and the front ride height probably should be at least 1/2 inch taller than the rear.

This is just my own observation and it's definitely not the rule... Good luck.

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I see what your saying and that makes sense iam just looking for a jump start it the right direction. When you talk about the ohlin's for sale ive been looking for a while and i haven't seen anything. I dont know much about tunning a suspension can you give me a brief run down? Thanks for all your help

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