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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 06:45 AM
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*** Rubbing Concerns (235-40-18) ***

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A search for "rubbing" resulted in 31 pages of threads with none addressing my small concern. I just finished installing some Konig Hotside wheels. While still in my driveway, I checked and of course there was no rubbing when the tires are straight forward but if I turn the steering wheel all the way to one side or the other, there is a slight rubbing on the inside portions of the fenders. Is this something that I should be concerned about? I'm thinking not really considering that every day driving will not require such hard/aggressive turns unless one autocrosses often. Thanks.

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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 06:52 AM
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If its rubbing when the car is stationary, then when you are moving (suspension traveling) there will be much more rubbing. Take it for a drive.

235's really are not wide. Your wheels may have a offset not suitable for the EVO.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 07:16 AM
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What width are the wheels and what offset?

I have 18x8 +29 on my Evo lowered with Swift springs on 235/40/18 and I get no rubbing.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by eve-slow
If its rubbing when the car is stationary, then when you are moving (suspension traveling) there will be much more rubbing. Take it for a drive.

235's really are not wide. Your wheels may have a offset not suitable for the EVO.
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What width are the wheels and what offset?

I have 18x8 +29 on my Evo lowered with Swift springs on 235/40/18 and I get no rubbing.
I ordered the wheel/tire package online and I'm not 100% certain if I'm using 18x7.5 or 18x8. I'll contact the company to see if they can inform me which size tires I actually bought. I took the good 'ole ruler to the garage a few seconds ago and I believe they are the 18x8 if I had to vote according to the contact patch. According to Konig, the Heatsink wheels have the following offsets: 18x7.5 (45), 18x8 (40 and 48), and 18x9.5 (25 and 40). Like I said, there is minor rubbing when I completely lock out the steering wheel. Of note, I'm using some 25mm wheel spacers if that's a necessary detail.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 07:48 AM
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40 series tires shouldn't rub unless you've got some kind of crazy offset wheels.

You'll be fine.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Tsurugi-san
40 series tires shouldn't rub unless you've got some kind of crazy offset wheels.

You'll be fine.
+1...that size tire shouldn't rub at all on a wheel with the correct offset for the Evo. The offset for your wheels is probably the issue here. While it's not necessarily ideal, you could go with a 5mm spacer which would push the wheel out just a little bit to keep it from rubbing.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 07:56 AM
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First off look in the wheel well and then determine what it is rubbing on if you can. It might just be some loose fender lining that is hanging down or something. Also for your help. the offset is what is import along with your tire size. A 235/40 tire is conservative on the evo so unless your offset is extremely high or low that could be causing it. When people ask just give them the effective offset with the spacer. So if in fact your wheels have a +48 offset but you put the 25mm spacers on then you have an effective offset of +23 wich sounds like a very typical evo setup so I am thinking there must be something unique to your car... such as damaged parts of something out of place.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by adambl03
+1...that size tire shouldn't rub at all on a wheel with the correct offset for the Evo. The offset for your wheels is probably the issue here. While it's not necessarily ideal, you could go with a 5mm spacer which would push the wheel out just a little bit to keep it from rubbing.
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First off look in the wheel well and then determine what it is rubbing on if you can. It might just be some loose fender lining that is hanging down or something. Also for your help. the offset is what is import along with your tire size. A 235/40 tire is conservative on the evo so unless your offset is extremely high or low that could be causing it. When people ask just give them the effective offset with the spacer. So if in fact your wheels have a +48 offset but you put the 25mm spacers on then you have an effective offset of +23 wich sounds like a very typical evo setup so I am thinking there must be something unique to your car... such as damaged parts of something out of place.
Fellahs

Straight up, I appreciate the feedback as I'm learning quite a bit here. There is absolutely no rubbing inside the wheel well. I just checked things out again and there is roughly 1 1/2 inches clearance between the front of the tire and the fender and the back of the tire and the fender. The only time there's a hint of rubbing is when I lock the steering wheel and then the backside of the tire nudges slightly against the fender. I've considered removing the fender liners but I know that's not a wise decision.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 08:38 AM
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I am not totally visualzing how it is rubbing, but it sounds like the problem could be resolved with a smaller spacer. From what you described the wheel is sticking out to far so when you turn the wheel to full crank, it rubs on the fender.... so reducing the spacer size, should correct it. Hopefully I understood your descricption. If not, it's worth a try.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 08:59 AM
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Now that he explained it again it sounds like it's rubbing the outside fender. That would make since considering the offset and the spacer described.

Not much you can do except having the fenders rolled.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 09:05 AM
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Is your car dropped on springs or coilovers?

When you say "rubbing is when I lock the steering wheel and then the backside of the tire nudges slightly against the fender"...do you mean it is rubbing the plastic fender liner by the outer sheetmetal? Or rubbing the plastic fender liner near the engine?
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by teamsprock
I am not totally visualzing how it is rubbing, but it sounds like the problem could be resolved with a smaller spacer. From what you described the wheel is sticking out to far so when you turn the wheel to full crank, it rubs on the fender.... so reducing the spacer size, should correct it. Hopefully I understood your descricption. If not, it's worth a try.
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Now that he explained it again it sounds like it's rubbing the outside fender. That would make since considering the offset and the spacer described.

Not much you can do except having the fenders rolled.
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Is your car dropped on springs or coilovers?

When you say "rubbing is when I lock the steering wheel and then the backside of the tire nudges slightly against the fender"...do you mean it is rubbing the plastic fender liner by the outer sheetmetal? Or rubbing the plastic fender liner near the engine?
Teamsprock, it is exactly what you described. I initially had some 10mm spacers on the front and I ran into some caliper clearance issues hence the now 25mm spacers. Taking caution and not wanting to go through another episode of return/wait for return, I went with the 25mm spacers.

CRX2EVO, it's not rubbing on the outside of the fender at all.

Adam, my car is not dropped at all but I have been considering either the Tein S springs or the Hotchkis springs. It's just barely grazing the out plastic fender liner by the outer sheetmetal.
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Old Jan 5, 2008 | 06:52 AM
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Personally, I don't think it would be worth the effort. If you still have your stock rims, I'd return them and get something that fits your evo with out spacers.
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Old Jan 5, 2008 | 12:18 PM
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Teamsprock, it is exactly what you described. I initially had some 10mm spacers on the front and I ran into some caliper clearance issues hence the now 25mm spacers. Taking caution and not wanting to go through another episode of return/wait for return, I went with the 25mm spacers.

CRX2EVO, it's not rubbing on the outside of the fender at all.

Adam, my car is not dropped at all but I have been considering either the Tein S springs or the Hotchkis springs. It's just barely grazing the out plastic fender liner by the outer sheetmetal.
I still can't figure out how your tires are rubbing the fender when your car isn't dropped. Even under aggressive cornering, your set up shouldn't touch anything. Like the other guy said, you'd be better off returning those wheels and getting something that will fit properly without spacers. That is, if you are able to return them.

As for springs, try to stay away from the Tein S-techs. Do a little research on here and you'll find that they are probably the worst set of springs you can get for an Evo. Look at GTWorx or Swift or WORKS springs. Those are the top 3 for an Evo. Good luck
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by adambl03
I still can't figure out how your tires are rubbing the fender when your car isn't dropped. Even under aggressive cornering, your set up shouldn't touch anything. Like the other guy said, you'd be better off returning those wheels and getting something that will fit properly without spacers. That is, if you are able to return them.

As for springs, try to stay away from the Tein S-techs. Do a little research on here and you'll find that they are probably the worst set of springs you can get for an Evo. Look at GTWorx or Swift or WORKS springs. Those are the top 3 for an Evo. Good luck
Adam, I took the car out for a drive and didn't have any issues whatsoever. I've sent an email to the company I purchased the wheels from and I'll see what they say. I really don't want to go through the returning hassle and I'd prefer to see how things turn out. If the 10mm spacers didn't provide enough clearance and the 25mm give a minor rub when the steering wheel is locked, I think either a 15mm or 20mm would do the trick. I really appreciate the feedback about the springs and I'll look into each of them. I wonder if I'd run into more rubbing issues by purchasing a set before I get this present issue solved. Thanks.
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