How Do You Know When The Pads Are Bedded?

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Feb 7, 2008 | 06:08 PM
  #1  
Just had Ferodo DS2500's put on all the way around and (I think) I bedded them properly.

I don't have access to an airstrip or race track so I drove with 2 feet for 20 miles @ highway speeds for 20 miles or so.

4 seconds braking, 4 to 8 seconds rest; repeated over the entire drive. I gotta figure the brakes got up to operating temperature.

The pads still squeal *LOUDLY* when coming to a stop under light brake pressure. They stop very well though.

How do you know when you've bedded them? Is there some sort of visual indication?

If it's not a bedding problem, how do you make the squeal go away?

I don't know (but I would assume) that the shop re-used the existing OEM pad shims.

Thanks!
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Feb 7, 2008 | 06:37 PM
  #2  
I know there are some threads on here that will give you more specific information but when i did mine, I made 3 or 4 stops from 40 mph to 5 mph and then two or three from 60 mph to full stop then i let the car sit until the brakes cooled. I have had zero sqeeking issues since then.
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Feb 7, 2008 | 06:42 PM
  #3  
Quote: I know there are some threads on here that will give you more specific information but when i did mine, I made 3 or 4 stops from 40 mph to 5 mph and then two or three from 60 mph to full stop then i let the car sit until the brakes cooled. I have had zero sqeeking issues since then.
I may have to do that - thanks for the tip.

The instructions that came w/ the Ferodo pads say to do 25 to 30 (!) stops at 50% of "race pedal pressure."

I'm sure I did more than that as the drive was 30 min ea way.
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Feb 8, 2008 | 09:31 AM
  #4  
fwiw i run the same pads and stopping is embarassing sometimes with how loud they are, esp. when the brakes are cold or very dusty. i try to rebed them per their instructions but i think its just the pad itself is pretty loud.

also, im not sure if my shop that did my brakes reused the stock shims either.
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Feb 8, 2008 | 09:35 AM
  #5  
There are diffrent companys that make some anti squeek lube. If you have a air compressior try blowing them off and heat them up again.
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Feb 8, 2008 | 09:38 AM
  #6  
Go to Stoptech's site - they have a white paper on the procedure. Whatever you did doesn't sound right, but....

I've been using 2500's for a long time with no squeal; both for DD and weekend track days.
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Feb 8, 2008 | 09:54 AM
  #7  
When I replaced my pads with HPS all the way around I got the squeal for a few weeks now its gone and braking is awesome.

As for bedding in your fine...I usually got 40mph do light stops and go a lil faster and increase brake pressure...then I go again really hard then drive around for 20 mins or so to cool down.
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Feb 8, 2008 | 11:08 AM
  #8  
Your initial description sounds more of a glazing procedure than bedding in...sorry.

You should do what the instructions tell you. Dragging the brakes at highway speeds is not the same as stopping at 50% capability back to back.

I usually go on a regular road when no one is on it. get up to 40-50, come to almost a stop and repeat until I start to feel the brakes fading, smoke becomes visible from the front wheels and you can start to smell a pad stench. This takes about 10 repeats. I then turn around, try not to use my brakes while putting around for another 5-10 mins to cool things off (to avoid warping) and let the car sit overnight. Next day, the pads are nice and grippy. With my HPS pads, I usually have to do this every few months, as the pad transfer gets scraped off during regular traffic driving where I don't use my brakes hard enough.
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Feb 8, 2008 | 02:49 PM
  #9  
Quote: Your initial description sounds more of a glazing procedure than bedding in...sorry.

You should do what the instructions tell you. Dragging the brakes at highway speeds is not the same as stopping at 50% capability back to back.

I usually go on a regular road when no one is on it. get up to 40-50, come to almost a stop and repeat until I start to feel the brakes fading, smoke becomes visible from the front wheels and you can start to smell a pad stench. This takes about 10 repeats. I then turn around, try not to use my brakes while putting around for another 5-10 mins to cool things off (to avoid warping) and let the car sit overnight. Next day, the pads are nice and grippy. With my HPS pads, I usually have to do this every few months, as the pad transfer gets scraped off during regular traffic driving where I don't use my brakes hard enough.
That's kind of what I had surmised and was a little afraid of. I'll redo the bedding properly. In the meantime, I'll squeak by.
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Feb 17, 2008 | 09:33 PM
  #10  
Quote: Your initial description sounds more of a glazing procedure than bedding in...sorry.

You should do what the instructions tell you. Dragging the brakes at highway speeds is not the same as stopping at 50% capability back to back.

I usually go on a regular road when no one is on it. get up to 40-50, come to almost a stop and repeat until I start to feel the brakes fading, smoke becomes visible from the front wheels and you can start to smell a pad stench. This takes about 10 repeats. I then turn around, try not to use my brakes while putting around for another 5-10 mins to cool things off (to avoid warping) and let the car sit overnight. Next day, the pads are nice and grippy. With my HPS pads, I usually have to do this every few months, as the pad transfer gets scraped off during regular traffic driving where I don't use my brakes hard enough.
I went out and bedded as Ferodo recommended (approx 25 50% stops) and there is (I think) a visible layer of pad on the discs now; it's appears to be visible with the naked eye as being thicker than the rest of the disc.

The rears have the same thing, but not as much of a thickness differential.

The noise has abated by probably 50% to 75% but is still present.

Any other ideas?
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Feb 17, 2008 | 10:23 PM
  #11  
Quote: I've been using 2500's for a long time with no squeal; both for DD and weekend track days.
Same here. Very very rarely get a squeal. I bet the shop didn't use any lube on the shims. I think this is what I used on the shims, can't remember exactly:

http://www.permatex.com/products/aut...ne_Formula.htm

Lastly, the pads are extremely easy to change on our cars, I'd recommend doing it yourself next time!
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Feb 17, 2008 | 11:17 PM
  #12  
Quote: Same here. Very very rarely get a squeal. I bet the shop didn't use any lube on the shims. I think this is what I used on the shims, can't remember exactly:

http://www.permatex.com/products/aut...ne_Formula.htm

Lastly, the pads are extremely easy to change on our cars, I'd recommend doing it yourself next time!
Thanks - I'll probably do that. I had the shop flush and replace the brake fluid at the same time (which is why they did the pads). I wasn't comfortable doing the brake fluid myself.
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