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If you're local to DC we can set your car up for you. We've done several custom Ohlins DFV set-ups on fast autocross and track cars.
Either way, we can hook you up with a great set-up....suspension and brakes are our specialty.
- Andrew
Either way, we can hook you up with a great set-up....suspension and brakes are our specialty.
- Andrew
Street tires aren't very consistent on the track, they'll over heat and get greasy. You'll learn a lot more a lot faster when you get consistent results from your tires, you'll also gain more confidence when you know what your tire will do turn after turn.
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From: somewhere testing various tires, brakes, and suspensions.
In my experiences on street tires - it depends on the type. The Z1 and RE11 are fairly consistent. R-comps hide bad driving that street tires just wont let you get away with.
As far as the mods, that might put you in BSP. You can stay in STU if the tires stay within 245, but nothing bigger. GL!
Last edited by chu; Aug 18, 2009 at 10:49 AM.
IMO the biggest thing missing from the list is a TRE rear diff. Not counting install cost, it has been the best $400 I've spent on my Evo.
If you're going to go through the trouble of upgrading swaybars, do both of them, and make sure both of them are adjustable. Don't go too big on the rear sway bar, especially if you're going to do the TRE rear diff.
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If you're going to go through the trouble of upgrading swaybars, do both of them, and make sure both of them are adjustable. Don't go too big on the rear sway bar, especially if you're going to do the TRE rear diff.
l8r)
Try driving on full slicks, those don't hide anything, screw up just a little and take a trip off the track.
I'm talking about a race track, not a parking lot. You wont get too many good laps in if you need to pit every 2-3 laps or so to hose down your tires.
Last edited by Biggie; Aug 19, 2009 at 03:12 PM.
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From: somewhere testing various tires, brakes, and suspensions.
^ I never have had to do come into the pits to cool off my tires (Z1 and Z1*) in a HPDE session.
Turn in approach, apexing, braking technique (zones and pressure), power on smoothness. Starting on streets will teach you proper entry and exit. I was taught on them and I teach/recommend on them first. Once I switched over to r-comps the difference was huge but my smoothness was already there. So I was able to take them further than I would be able to on a street tire. And that was just an AX. I sold my car before a track day with my new tire package.
End the end, I think it will make you a better driver. If you want to grow and advance in the sport - thats my recommendation for that route. If you just want to play around and play racer
Do what you'd like to do or have the moneys to do.
Judging by the OPs ideas, it looks more like he wants to properly learn the racing ins/outs.
Turn in approach, apexing, braking technique (zones and pressure), power on smoothness. Starting on streets will teach you proper entry and exit. I was taught on them and I teach/recommend on them first. Once I switched over to r-comps the difference was huge but my smoothness was already there. So I was able to take them further than I would be able to on a street tire. And that was just an AX. I sold my car before a track day with my new tire package.
End the end, I think it will make you a better driver. If you want to grow and advance in the sport - thats my recommendation for that route. If you just want to play around and play racer
Do what you'd like to do or have the moneys to do. Judging by the OPs ideas, it looks more like he wants to properly learn the racing ins/outs.
I think we are saying the same thing in different ways, just with differing points of view. Your smoothness came from the necessity for smooth inputs, kind of like learning to drive on ice, no traction and harsh inputs leads to trips into the ditch. My problem with that on track is the lack of confidence you get in tight turns and especially hard/late braking. Things that you will need to overcome once you step up to good track tires, along with learning a different race line.
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I agree. We have same end points. Different view points
Being comfortable at the limits on street tires translated into feeling good about really pushing the r-comps in my AX. And I was rewarded with a 1st place
Being comfortable at the limits on street tires translated into feeling good about really pushing the r-comps in my AX. And I was rewarded with a 1st place
I think the same argument can be made between about learning to race in an EVO. They are very easy to drive and quite forgiving even at the limit. One would probably learn more by learning to race in a 240SX but instead they have a full blown race car from the factory.
Its all about your goals. If you want to be fast as heck and look like a pro learn to drive an EVO on R-comps.
Its all about your goals. If you want to be fast as heck and look like a pro learn to drive an EVO on R-comps.
I LIKE dunlop star specs Z1's! im staying on street tires jeesh they dont cost a fortune and they are great tires i can get a lot of response with these and I know my driving isnt further than the star specs. I might start thinking abt r comps whenever my driving is taking the star specs to there limit but there not.
Only thing i wish the evo stopped doing was killing the outside shoulder of the tires but that is coming from excessive body roll I presume. I roll with 40f 41r tire pressures so i know there at a good pressure. Im hoping the sway bar will help with this issue
Only thing i wish the evo stopped doing was killing the outside shoulder of the tires but that is coming from excessive body roll I presume. I roll with 40f 41r tire pressures so i know there at a good pressure. Im hoping the sway bar will help with this issue