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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:16 AM
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I have pitched a budget to my sponsors and will see if we can get an actual real world test setup for the summer. Does anyone have a track in mind within L.A. California that is fitting for such a test?

Originally Posted by WoODStOcK
I'm going to jump into this and give a little of my .02.

I am fully aware of HSD because they are in fact made in Korea along with ARK, and some even say buddyclub, and then there is BC, megan which is made in Taiwan, and then D2 and Ksport which is made in a different factory in Taiwan.

I will be completely blunt and say The build quality in Taiwan is much better than Korea. I wish I took pictures of the pistons to show people but its visible with even their machined brackets. You can safely assume that their is no vehicle specific R&D in any of these coilovers. All the spring rates are not thought out so valving and setup aside. The only thing I can show is the build quality. If your going for performance, none of these overseas options are bad as long as they are revalved for whatever you want to do, which there are a lot of raceshops out there that does. I have one that I take my coilovers to when I need them.

Anyways here are simple pictures I found on another forum, S2000.

The orange ones are Ksport, which is the same company as HSD (go on their website and you can see that they are identical). And as you can see the forks have **** poor weld on them while BC is cleanly machined. Now you should check out the bottom brackets for macpherson type struts.


I can tell you this, I have tested and tried many different overseas brands and most of them will dyno different on all four corners. If you think that these cheap coilover companies are going to pump these babies out with precision, you couldnt be further off. Also keep in mind that the reason why they are so inexpensive is because what these companies do is make maybe 5-6 different size shock bodies and then make custom brackets and then chooses propper length shocks (out of the 5-6 shocks they have) to make for every application.

Verdict imo- Fortune Auto (Get the Swift Option, it makes a huge difference)... The main reason being they can rebuild in house and at least they can give you dyno numbers for all four corners.
I am not sure I agree with you on build quality based on country. Its important to raise the distinction between Brands and Manufacturers. Second, in today's world the problem you face is outsourcing. Lets face it, Globalization has changed manufacturing drastically. Brands set out specifications for the coilovers. They either make it in house or they outsource it to someone else or multiple parties. Its pretty hard to say with certainty where anything is made anymore. And at the end of the day, I don't care where the company is based so long as they make good stuff and they have a reputation to stand one. I harp on HSD because its the home brand of HD Systems. A manufacturer. And when I spoke with them not to long ago, the stuff they have in development and have done has been pretty impressive. People say oh that is xyz coilover or abc coilover rebranded. But no proof to back it up. At the end of the day, I dont care about rumor and guess work. If a kit has HSD on the unit, and on the box, I am going to evaluate on its own merits.

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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:47 AM
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Then they should do R/D to make match systems for the car. Right now I see mediocrity for sake of higher production and lower quality.

Manufactures that do it - Swift. 100%. GTWorx and RobiSpec both do that for all their systems.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 05:29 PM
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guys am running the HSD set on my Evo7 with spring rates of 9F/11R and they are amazing. they ride really well on bumpy roads and performs really really well in tight auto-x courses.

the kit is of great quality with beefy parts that indicates many years of healthy performance. I would recommended them for our CT9As and many other platforms as we have an E46 M3 running them also with awesome results.

I didnt run any of the other mentioned kits so no input there sorry, but coming from a e36 M3 race built car with two consecutive years of class wins i vouch for the HSD kit.
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Old Apr 21, 2011 | 04:50 AM
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Nice review Evo7vii. Here is a question or two for you. How old is your kits and where did you source it from. Different global importers set spring rates to there liking while some allowed for custom rates.

And how do you rate your kit compared to other kits you have owned or used.

Got any pics

Originally Posted by evo7vii
guys am running the HSD set on my Evo7 with spring rates of 9F/11R and they are amazing. they ride really well on bumpy roads and performs really really well in tight auto-x courses.

the kit is of great quality with beefy parts that indicates many years of healthy performance. I would recommended them for our CT9As and many other platforms as we have an E46 M3 running them also with awesome results.

I didnt run any of the other mentioned kits so no input there sorry, but coming from a e36 M3 race built car with two consecutive years of class wins i vouch for the HSD kit.

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Old Apr 21, 2011 | 09:42 AM
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Evo soul- this really isnt a topic I like to argue about so Im just going to end it here. There is no such thing as a track test that is going to show anything. There are way too many variables that get in the way. Even if you do an on track swap of shocks My times at the track change throughout the day the main reason being the track temps change throughout the day, early morning midday and end of day have a pretty decent amount of change in track times. So even if we swap coils we wouldnt know if the time change is from the coils or from the change in temps or any other track conditions. And obviously it wouldnt make sense if we take 2 different cars with different setups either.

As for the review I dont see how its a good review at all. I've never seen a bad review on a set of coilovers someone spent the money to buy. Also if it is a negative review it's either posted because they upgraded to a new setup and bash their old one or some kind of disaster happened. Without propper suspension knowledge a review like that means nothing. I would need it from a reliable source, and no, having megans on your other car is not a good comparison either.

EVOsoul from what you're saying I see nothing concrete so far in the reasons why you're such a fan of HSD. All I see is placebo. You gotta understand that there are prob a lot of people reading this and I just don't like misinformation. (It's even happened to me before if you look at my previous threads).

That being said, when it comes down to it, if you like your setup thats great, and its all that matters. I just feel that if there is info that needs to be shared I would like to hear concrete evidence. I only put in my .02 about HSD because I have a friend who was planning on starting a coilover company made overseas for the US market. It eventually fell through but we literally took apart every single coilover on the market. And I can assure you internally HSD, ARK, and BC are the same. There are a few aspects that would sway me towards one coilover over another, but it's nothing worth mentioning.

And my opinion still stands: out of the coilovers mentioned so far
-Fortune Auto with Swifts

again....... just an opinion.
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Old Apr 21, 2011 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by thegoodservant
I have the fortune auto. Very reasonable, close to correctly dampened and springed for the CT9A. Good ride quality on the street and great customer service. I can't speak for the other brands but there are plenty of mixed reviews on here if you search. I chose FA because I couldn't find any negative reviews from people whom actually had them. Keep in mind I've only had them 3 months and have only driven them on the street ( likely will only ever drive them on the street). Hope this helps...
Originally Posted by RCY
Stance!
i have been leaning towards the fa's with the swift/helper spring upgrade for $1475 and thats making me wonder if there is something better for around the same.. sorry! started looking at stance al+pro and the gr+pro which are similar in price. but i cant find anything on rebuilds on the stance. anyone know? also thinking bout going to my original choice a couple months ago, before coming to you guys in need of help, which was the tein mono flex.

another question with the fa's they have custom spring rates from i think its 6-13k not positive but what would be a good setup (this ones kinda aimed towards you smikevo) since ive read alot of ur posts on here n u seem to know ur s#!t and (also to thegoodservant) since u have a set. what spring rates did u go with and hows the ride?
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Old Apr 22, 2011 | 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by balla_evo9mr
i have been leaning towards the fa's with the swift/helper spring upgrade for $1475 and thats making me wonder if there is something better for around the same.. sorry! started looking at stance al+pro and the gr+pro which are similar in price. but i cant find anything on rebuilds on the stance. anyone know? also thinking bout going to my original choice a couple months ago, before coming to you guys in need of help, which was the tein mono flex.

another question with the fa's they have custom spring rates from i think its 6-13k not positive but what would be a good setup (this ones kinda aimed towards you smikevo) since ive read alot of ur posts on here n u seem to know ur s#!t and (also to thegoodservant) since u have a set. what spring rates did u go with and hows the ride?

I went with the standard they provide 9k front and 10k rear. Standard springs.
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Old Apr 22, 2011 | 04:25 AM
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Its always like that when we compare mid range coilover kits together and it all comes down to personal prefrence. For me i was debating the HSDs along the blistien/swift setup but i went and got the HSD with custom spring rates and suitable valving. I like them for the fact that they r well made, comfy and do increase handling capabilities of the car by a great measure.

Not being biased for the kit i paid for but thats what i know since i do have it fitted. Now if we do want great proven coilover kits we should be talking about the big names that provide a well sorted out kits for our cars and with that comes the big buck.
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