the problem with most economical coilover is that they all lack travel! You want travel on the coilovers! I have KW, and it has a lot of travel.

 

Gauging by my previous post and a strive for a stanced ride. We all already know that we all have a different vision when it comes to "stance". Everyone see's it different. One says you need x.xx camber with xx offset while the other disagree's.

And by you judging by the way i drive based off of my post is a joke. If you'd know me, or ever went for a ride, only then could you post actual info on my driving style or experience. I have a ton of people that can speak on my driving style/skill, and you're definitely not one of them.

/dave

 

240z - I can really care less what you type or think. You popped in here for some vendetta you've created. Read those threads. Spring rates and valving and construction. So what are good rates? We looked at the valving - not impressive. And the construction? "Oh if it breaks, we'll just swap to another part". I see that crap everyday. No more true mechanical techs - just swap parts and beat with hammer guys.

Look deeper. Read more. Drive more cars. Race cars. Work in the industry.

Ha. I've said that long ago. I am happy to help those who PM me directly. And now that I am not on the Staff - I can say what I want. There is another think people don't get. Big difference from SuperMod to Guru. I no longer have to be PC (to an extent).

****. You should come over and see the Mustang mess. Nobody has a clue about suspension; nor a care. They just want low and wide. You think there are a few bright stars here - there are none there.

 

Fair enough. You seem to explain your vision of "stance" pretty well, including the functional compromises you're willing to make:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/9399831-post24.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ars-chime.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ring-pics.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ts-see-em.html

^^^ Everything above was uploaded within the last two weeks.

Let's not miss the point. You came into this saying that your suspension, that everyone says is sh/t, is performing "fairly well" by your standards. Clearly, one person's notion of competence isn't necessarily congruent with another, and your orientation seems to point in an alternate direction. Nothing personal.

 

Congratulations on your recent promotion to GURU.

I feel it is unfortunate that people seeking to get honest advice about coilover options are always berated by the swift/bilstein brothers and $2K coilover groupies.

I only asked you to show why they are crap, but it is always the same thing....bashing because you having nothing of substance to provide. I have been running these coilovers for ~13K miles and have no complaints. The quality of the parts appear to be very good and I have not had any issue with the components.

If you want to debate why they are crap then please provide details to your claim. Otherwise, I have to go by your initial review that stated they were a good entry level coilover. Again, I am not saying they are better/worse than anything else, only that from my experience and yours they are better than stock and worth the $850/shipped.

 

nothing personal taken.

when i start a thread with the word stance in it, i simply mean "a little aggresive with some camber". not hidden wheels with 0 camber or factory setup.

i guess when i have some track numbers to prove of how well i drive and how well my suspension holds, everything else is just exchanging ones thoughts. I guess ill have to wait and see the real difference when i get a new setup.

I guess i just find it a little silly when the average evo driver will ask for descent daily driven coils, and most of the answers are "you must spend 3000$+ or they will be garbage". If everyone had that kind of money to spend on coilovers then there wouldn't be such a thread started. For the most part, especially when talking about coilovers, the more you spend, the better they will be. Maybe a good thread would be a comparison between the lower end coilovers $2000 and under for the ones that aren't that heavy on autox or track.

/dave

 

Those quotes are off topic about this thread and in my opinion, made in an effort to discredit the opinion. This would be a considered a "bash". What's funny is, they actually reinforce what Smike was saying so I still don't get the point.

Yeah, something else is better and cheaper. Maybe they are crap, maybe they aren't, but if better products are available at less money, why would anyone ever buy them?

I hope you will conclude that you cannot trust your good buddy's opinon any longer. He did the same thing that FJF said he did with home audio once upon a time.

Yet you quote a single poster out of this thread, from 3 years ago, with a definite tone of intent-to-expose? Maybe you could take your own advice regarding that old saying.

Whatever, IBTL!

 

You're right, no one cares over there. It's "springs and done" in many cases. I've ridden in a few Saleens over the years, and there is definitely some improvement there. I've never had an opportunity to ride in one of the AI cars or anything, but I'd sure be interested to.

Maybe the lack of interest is due to the solid axle platform compared to the world-class-out-of-the-box that the Evo community enjoys.

 

I see where you're going with this. The idea above is quite applicable to a car like a GTI or a Speed3, to a point, but when we're dealing with a true world class platform like the Evolution, making improvements is not easy. The car was setup for war out of the box. I understand that you didn't have a chance to drive an Evo on a stock setup. Fair enough. You'll just have to trust every experienced automotive journalist who ever ran the thing. So, how do upgrades figure into this?

Truth be told, it's pretty frucking difficult to upgrade a machine with a world class suspension. Small improvements, relative to one's individual driving style, can be made fairly easily. Big changes, not so much. With all this is mind, why would a non-competitive driver need to change the suspension so drastically? IME, having been here since '06, it's to lower the car for looks. So, now we get to the crux of the matter. If one is looking for appearance, it doesn't matter what he buys. If one is looking for performance, there aren't nearly as many options. Why? Because the car is so good to begin with.

 

This could also apply to high-end coilovers. I had a set of $5k coilovers that had probably half the travel of my Bilsteins. Nature of the intended use as they were meant for the track.

In my opinion, the only reason to look for an economical dd coilover system is for exact ride height adjustments. Shocks and springs are better suited for DD use. This is coming from someone who has owned JIC's and Ohlins. Make of that what you will.

 

Honestly that is THE best way to sum it up. I didn't lower my car with performance as the number one priority. I dont go to the track often/auto-x. I just like enjoying the car. I enjoy the occasional mountain run.

There really should be no arguments if people are actually reading your post.

 

Yep. FJF pretty much ended the thread there.

 

^Took the words right out of my mouth.

Mike obviously didnt have the in depth time an experience with the Bilsteins at the time of writing that article.

240Z TwinTurbo
You obviously just have some sort of vendetta here an your taking a members contribution to the site out of context annoys me. He obviously didn't just change it out of spite of you. He gave valid reasons for the recant an explained them.
y u no read so well?
Where is your write up? Professional experience? Data? Anything?
Drop the argument an quit instigating or there will be repercussions.
Thanks

(Ill fix your sig for you)

 

Very well said, and i got nothing to say but ; /agree and

/dave