BTW anyone used Eradispeeds (slotted or plain) for track days? In my communications with Baer they don't recommend them for the track, but won't give any reasons why.

 

Brembo gets it's rotors cast by others...whats the beef? Most products are a group effort...ALL of the JDM solutions are too. If you dont think these rotors can hold up follow the link..http://www.speedventures.net/event_results_db.asp? EVO4FUN is the car with these rotors.. and my front calipers are now colored dark maroon with cream colored letters... and you can't do 2:03's (on a 3 mile course) at Thunderhill with out a lot of HEAVY braking...

 

I didn't state that any product does or does not perform.

 

Robi, that link is dead, since it is tied to sessions ( the person/computer requesting the page )

I think this is the info you meant to reference:
SV Challenge Series Overall Results
2-8-2004 - Thunderhill
Provisional Results - Subject to Change
If there is a problem with your times, email us.
General Class Place Points Timing Name Car # Laptime Speed Make Model Year Tires HP
2 1 10 David Kennedy (davepk) 02:02.820 87.93 Honda S2000 - R 2000 Slicks 340
2 2 6 DrTONE(sfphinkter) 02:04.805 86.53 HONDA S2000 2000 Slicks 340
3 1 10 Rylan Hazelton (krazik) 02:03.231 87.64 Honda S2000 - R 2000 Slicks 250
3 2 6 evo4fun 02:03.762 87.26 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 3 Race 400
3 3 4 racerferrari 02:08.438 84.09 mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Slicks 300
3 4 3 Ken Ma 02:21.033 76.58 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Race
4 1 10 finkmeister 02:02.670 88.04 Chevrolet Corvette 2002 Street 405
4 2 6 gbecton 02:07.006 85.04 Chevrolet Corvette 2003 Street 405
4 3 4 Carl Byck 02:11.889 81.89 toyota supra 97 Race 400
4 4 3 c.wick 02:18.393 78.04 Toyota Supra 1994 Race 345
4 5 2 sklein 02:18.671 77.88 Mustang Cobra 1997 Street 450
4 6 1 STITHIS 02:18.894 77.76 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 315
4 7 0 MoDankEvo 02:25.171 74.4 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Race 280
5 1 10 Matt Oursbourn 02:09.227 83.57 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Race 300
5 2 6 Stein-MotorSportImage 02:09.661 83.29 Chevrolet Corvette 1999 Street 350
5 3 4 John M. (twohoos) 02:10.188 82.96 Honda S2000 2000 Race 250
5 4 3 Raymund 02:14.761 80.14 Honda S2000 2000 Race 240
5 5 2 Crash99 02:19.018 77.69 Chevrolet Corvette 1999 Street 345
5 6 1 CVCVCV 02:20.743 76.74 Chevrolet Corvette 1998 Street 360
5 7 0 Ed Cudney 02:21.409 76.37 Chevrolet Corvette 1999 Street 350
6 1 10 GokuSSJ4 02:08.817 83.84 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 300
6 2 6 Brandon Showalter 02:11.084 82.39 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 271
6 3 4 Aaron Bitterman (Desert Tortoise) 02:11.690 82.01 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 271
6 4 3 derek 02:11.693 82.01 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 271
6 5 2 ogvw 02:17.001 78.83 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 270
6 6 1 e8 02:19.169 77.6 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 271
6 7 0 kaisho99 02:20.427 76.91 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 271
6 8 0 CACalomino 02:20.435 76.9 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 271
6 9 0 ob4 02:20.442 76.9 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 300
6 10 0 Rob L 02:25.236 74.36 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 271
6 11 0 Wilson1 02:47.014 64.67 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 2003 Street 271

 

ok for those of you asking how much just the cast iron portion of the rotors costs to replace, I DONT KNOW. If you want to know, call Baer. I bought my rotors directly from Baer and have been dealing with them exclusively throughout this ordeal.

I would imagine that using eradispeeds for the track would be bad because of the grade of the materials, of which, theirs IS really good, but not up to "track" levels.

keep in mind though that the pillar-vane rotors offered by Stillen/Brake pros is NOT a two-piece design (heavy as hell) and those are not recommended for track use either (I asked).

Yet, the brake pro's rotors are the same (essentially) cost as a set of Baers. Baer offers the bonus of lighter weight, two-piece design (which is a LOT lighter than stock), Zinc coating (which falls off of everywhere except where it really matters, which is on the inside of the caliper's rub area. this is a place where the stock rotors will rust) and super-pimp looks of anodized aluminum hats.

if they can supply me with a set of balanced rotors, these will be, by far, the best buy.

if you want rotors that will live on the track, get yourself some serious cooling ducts and invest in some REAL race-car **** (Endless, AP, or Alcon). Anyone complaining that a set of $500 rotors won't live on the track has their head up their ***, as real race **** just plain costs MONEY.


well, to each his own but given Baer's attitude with me and what i'm about to update you guys with, im willing to bet that they would cover the labor charges if there were any.

furthermore, i find your attitude to be likenable to someone who gets served a perfectly cooked, delicious, 5-course steak dinner for half-price, and then complains that his ice water wasn't refilled fast enough.


ok, been busy as hell, so this is stuff that happened last Wed/Thur.:


i had the Baer rotors balanced on a wheel/tire balancer and they came up with a .50oz. imbalance on one, and a .75oz. on the other. those are no insignificant weights... a .75 lead weight would practically fill an entire cooling vane!

I called them and filled them in with the news and they said they would priority mail me a prepaid shipping label to have the rotors shipped back to them. they're going to spin my rotors on a machine that typically does flywheels and things like that. i think this would be far more accurate than a wheel balancer, so im interested in comparing the results of both balancing methods.

theyre also going to take a new set off the shelf and spin those to see how a new set compares. if I had a fluke/oddball set, they'll just send the new ones. if the new set(s) are all out of whack too, they're either going to balance me a set or give me my money back.

I told them essentially what i stated earlier in this thread, which is that i would like them to sell me a product that is as close to a perfect balance as possible. if they can't supply me with a quality product that satisfies me, i expect them to refund my money. They were in complete agreement.

I can't say enough (thus far) about their commitment to customer service and quality. They answer their phone every time I call (might not sound like a big deal, but this is becoming rare these days) they dont insult my intelligence with **** like "the flux capacitor must be the problem, we're not responsible", and finally, they're paying for the return shipping and have promised to take care of me based on the fact that my stock rotors make the problem go away.

most importantly, this isn't all contingent upon their balance efforts findings. im not being AT ALL dishonest, but there is a chance that they'll get my rotors back and not find a problem (stranger things have happened). i even asked them what they would do if this happened, and they said that based on the fact that i have no balance issue with stock rotors and theirs create a problem, i would be getting a replacement set - period. the other steps in this process are there to ensure that the product they supply me with is significantly better (balanced) before sending me another set.

in this way, they ARE saving me time and hassle... time i could waste installing them and finding a second set that is unbalanced.

if anyone thinks this is anything BUT exemplaray customer service, they are obviously inexperienced with the automotive aftermarket.

 

Yeah, they are better than most places out there. All too often when calling the aftermarket up it's like harassing random New Yorkers on the street...

 

not sure how you derived that inference... but so far you have been served salisbury steak for the price of filet mignon...I guess I'm difficult, but yeah that would **** me off

any way, the setup looks sweet, hope they hook you up

 

Sounds like damn fine customer service thus far... guess we'll see if they carry it through...

 

It looks like the Endless rotors were a good move - I was starting to feel like an *** for spending that much.

I am glad Baer is taking care of you on this matter. I will be that much more aware of checking my rotor balance now. Thanks for the detailed updates...

 

srf - you got it right. i hate feeling like im the ******* for calling about product info or prices. even calling to raise a big stink at baer has them treating you nicely. it's definitely worth more than salisbury steak (though chef and i agree that salisbury steak is a wonderful thing)

another thing i just remembered about your questions of track use... i know of a vendor that used eradispeeds on their shop car at the track. they beat the **** out of the brakes to the point that the anodization came off of the aluminum. not sure if that means it melted off into liquid or burned off into smoke, but it was gone. i would imagine that the threadlocker they use would need to be re-applied to the hardware after something like that, but the point is that the rotors lived on intact and are still on the car.

my honest opinion is that these rotors would suffice if you had enough cooling and kept the abuse reasonable (not pitting the brakes against 450 whp, for example), but the super high temps of real racing would eventually make them crack or warp really bad and thats where the extra quality of something more expensive is going to come into play - those mfr's probably use virgin cast iron instead of the reclaimed cheap **** that has a bunch of steel in it.

i think baer is making a smart move by stipulating that the warranty does not cover track use. i would rather buy these rotors to stay as perfect as possible and use them on the street & backroads. they would work well, look pimp, and stay unwarped. if they warp, it's covered. i can put the stock rotors on for the track day and beat the living **** out of them and not worry about warping, cracking, or anything because i can put the nice ones on when i get home.

jason - its cool. i think we just have two different perspectives. thank you for clearly making your point though



chris (sorry for all the questions) - what was the pricing and availability of the front pair of endless rotors? which vendor? was your overall experience positive or negative? did the endless rotors come with any specific seasoning or bedding instructions? im just curious if superior rotors come with the same laundry list of things to do that the Baer rotors come with.

If they do have a procedure list, how specific do they get? Frustration that I have with the baer method (which I've explained to them) is that they say something like

"make 8 heavy stops in a row, just pending wheel lock, from 65 to 5 mph."

this says nothing about the time in between the stops... am i to get back up to speed as fast as possible or just cruise up to speed? in my experience, and even with the track kit i bought for my mustang (which had the most resistance to this occurrence), the pads are on serious meltdown long before stop 8 ever arrives. The baer people agreed that since some cars have so much more power than others, it's probably best to just cruise up to speed at a brisk, but not excessive rate... im wondering if the endless kit (or any other, for that matter) has more specificity in this regard.

TIA

 

Mister2zx3 thanks for the help.. you got it right, and Rick Et Al. at Baer are very interested in making things right...on the endless parts/project mu you can get either through many vendors. I prefer Vivid or BulletProof because they've given me the same same kind of customer service as this forum describes have knowledgable sales staff and support the racing comunity.

 

Damn forgot I asked about track use and Baer said crossdrilled = don't track'em...slotted/plain=good to go...my 2'cents these rotors are so light that they heat up quicker than stock and ducting air to the center of the rotor is MANDATORY for track/hard usage (and should be done reguardless of whos brake set-up you go with) IMHO.

 

I am still waiting on the delivery from Japan for the parts. The pads (after MUCH research) are even more difficult to find. As far as costs go, PM Adam @ Z1Auto. My 2 main guys for the good JDM stuff are Z1 and BP Auto. Both are great vendors. Suffice to say your $500/rotor is not far off. Like I stated before, I have only heard outstanding things about these rotors. After a lot of checking (ask Diesel), I concluded that the stock calipers were up to the task considering my Evo's power and weight, just needing a pad upgrade and better fluid. The CC-X pads are a very aggressive street-able pad that will hold up to 800 degrees C (that is VERY hot) on the track. Their operating temps are between 200-800 degrees C. I will only be running these pads over the summer. In the event I can't find them, I will probably go with the equivalent from Project Mu.

Once I get them installed and bedded, etc., I will post a full report with pics, etc. Once I finally get them on the track, I will also try to provide more pics of before/after, plus my subjective thoughts. If I have an instructor with me (most likely), I will get his/her impressions as well. Good luck, buddy!

Chris

 

These Baer rotors are not made of a carbon blend like the 2 pc racing rotors from Endless. Endless also offers larger sized rotors you can upgrade to later from size 332 ~ 380. Plus they have raced these on EVO's for years.

 

chris, thanks for the info!


one thing though...
the baer rotors are $500/pair, which is why i think they're a great value for the average street going Evo (so long as all the sets don't have balance issues).